Splitting Coax (Cable TV)

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jsmetona

Enthusiast
This is my first post in a while, so thanks for the help.

Here's my problem: I have comcast at my house for digital/hd tv, phone, and internet. (2 HD boxes, internet modem, phone modem, 5 other tv's) The system is constantly failing (modem not connecting, hd is choppy, etc).

About a year ago I replaced all the coax in the house with new RG6. Comcast ran us a new line to the house roughly the same time. The problem still exists.

I had an 8 way splitter with home-runs to each unit, which some Comcast employee took down and replaced it with numerous 2 and 3 way splitters. It worked long enough for him to get out the door.

I want to permanently fix this solution. What's the best way to split/distribute coax 8 ways?
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I had a project going and MDS had this to say:

Remember that every split adds additional loss to the incoming signal level. A 2-way will lose 3.5 dB per leg, a 3-way 7 dB per leg, and a 4-way typically 11 dB per leg. Losses are cummulative as well so one leg of a 2-way connected to the input of a 3-way will lose 3.5+7 = 10.5 db at the output of the 3-way (in other words the same as just using a single 4-way).

You want to minimize splits as much as possible and/or use an amplifier where necessary. Of course it all depends on having the incoming signal level from the cable provider at an appropriate level - which is the cable company's job and they will come out and check things if you ask.

From the description of that bi-directional amplifier link: It is recommend a cable or telephony modem should be placed on a separate network segment from the amplifier as incorrectly amplifying or adding to[sic] great of a signal level may cause damage to the cable or telephony modem.

In general that is true and as a rule of thumb you don't want to amplify the leg going to the modem. My house is wired to a central wiring closet in the master bathroom closet and has eight cable outlets around the house.

I split the incoming feed with a 2-way splitter and one leg goes straight to the jack in my office where the modem resides (and is thus unamplified but loses a tiny 3.5 dB from the split) and the other leg goes into an 8-way 4 dB amplifier which feeds all the other jacks in the house. So basically, the cable jacks lose 3.5 dB from the inital split and then the amplifier adds back 4 dB for an effective 'no-op' - as long as the incoming level from the cable company is sufficient every outlet in the house works fine - and they do. :)
You can read the whole thread here:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62690
 
S

Sonic30101

Audiophyte
Comcast should supply an eight port powered multiswitch for you which will be better than multiple 2 and 3 output splitters
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
This is my first post in a while, so thanks for the help.

Here's my problem: I have comcast at my house for digital/hd tv, phone, and internet. (2 HD boxes, internet modem, phone modem, 5 other tv's) The system is constantly failing (modem not connecting, hd is choppy, etc).

About a year ago I replaced all the coax in the house with new RG6. Comcast ran us a new line to the house roughly the same time. The problem still exists.

I had an 8 way splitter with home-runs to each unit, which some Comcast employee took down and replaced it with numerous 2 and 3 way splitters. It worked long enough for him to get out the door.

I want to permanently fix this solution. What's the best way to split/distribute coax 8 ways?
You need an amplified system. You are running too much. However for what you are running you need a very high bandwidth amplifier system. I don't know if Comcast will do this for you are not. Doing this properly will take an investment. A lot of passive splitters don't have the bandwidth for what you are running.
 
selkec

selkec

Audioholic
This is my first post in a while, so thanks for the help.

Here's my problem: I have comcast at my house for digital/hd tv, phone, and internet. (2 HD boxes, internet modem, phone modem, 5 other tv's) The system is constantly failing (modem not connecting, hd is choppy, etc).

About a year ago I replaced all the coax in the house with new RG6. Comcast ran us a new line to the house roughly the same time. The problem still exists.

I had an 8 way splitter with home-runs to each unit, which some Comcast employee took down and replaced it with numerous 2 and 3 way splitters. It worked long enough for him to get out the door.

I want to permanently fix this solution. What's the best way to split/distribute coax 8 ways?
I see the first problem in your set up is you say you have an internet modem and a phone modem. You should not have 2 modems in your house. You should only havd one EMTA which has a phone and internet modem in the same unit. I work for Comcast and we are not suppposed to put 2 modems in a house. Your best bet is to use a 2 way with one leg going to the modem (EMTA). Then use the other leg off the 2 way with an amplifier going into an 8 way. But you cant just put in any old amp or splitters. Also you said you ran the rg6 cable. Is it at least triple shield or better yet quad shield. In our system it has to be atleast triple shield due to ingress and egress. You may be getting ingress from a local TV tower. There are many things that can cause your problem. All connections need to be tight. Need all Rg6. Also dont run yout coax thru any power conditioners. This is just a few things to check.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I see the first problem in your set up is you say you have an internet modem and a phone modem. You should not have 2 modems in your house. You should only havd one EMTA which has a phone and internet modem in the same unit. I work for Comcast and we are not suppposed to put 2 modems in a house. Your best bet is to use a 2 way with one leg going to the modem (EMTA). Then use the other leg off the 2 way with an amplifier going into an 8 way. But you cant just put in any old amp or splitters. Also you said you ran the rg6 cable. Is it at least triple shield or better yet quad shield. In our system it has to be atleast triple shield due to ingress and egress. You may be getting ingress from a local TV tower. There are many things that can cause your problem. All connections need to be tight. Need all Rg6. Also dont run yout coax thru any power conditioners. This is just a few things to check.
I think the OP is confused. I have that Comcast system at Eagan, I think the OP is confusing Modems and Routers. That is what I assumed. The modem, connects to the phone line and the cable input, and then connects to your router. If he has anything different then he does truly have a mess.
 
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