Lightning Steve

Lightning Steve

Audioholic
More questions!!
I am learning a lot here and thanks for all the help and patients!!

Have been reading and it looks like the tool for HT set up is a SPL meter. Have some questions about this that I didn't run across in my searches.

-Is a SPL meter useful for a beginner Audioholic (I think so). What I'm wondering is it going to be useful more than once (I'm not going to be redoing my HT area to often). Once the room is set up is that it for it's usefulness until changes or a new HT setup?

-Have read over several (LOTS) of posts and roughly understand the need/use of the meter but just how do you use it? Is it a "directional" type of thing, you "point" it at a specific speaker and take a reading, ultimately adjusting all speakers to an equal level. Or do it just take an "area" reading?

-Is the SPL meter relatively easy to use for a beginner or will I require a four year Audio engineering course?

Thanks Steve
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
-Is a SPL meter useful for a beginner Audioholic (I think so). What I'm wondering is it going to be useful more than once (I'm not going to be redoing my HT area to often). Once the room is set up is that it for it's usefulness until changes or a new HT setup?

-Have read over several (LOTS) of posts and roughly understand the need/use of the meter but just how do you use it? Is it a "directional" type of thing, you "point" it at a specific speaker and take a reading, ultimately adjusting all speakers to an equal level. Or do it just take an "area" reading?

-Is the SPL meter relatively easy to use for a beginner or will I require a four year Audio engineering course?

Thanks Steve
1) The SPL meter is a must have for any HT (beginner, or guru).
2) It will be useful many times. Some like to tweak their systems constantly. Some just like to set it, and leave it. I have heard many say you should re-calibrate your system once every 6 months or so.
3) You will run test tones throughout each individual speaker through your receiver.
4) Easy to use.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
1) The SPL meter is a must have for any HT (beginner, or guru).
2) It will be useful many times. Some like to tweak their systems constantly. Some just like to set it, and leave it. I have heard many say you should re-calibrate your system once every 6 months or so.
3) You will run test tones throughout each individual speaker through your receiver.
4) Easy to use.
Hey Maze,

How many times have you recalibrated your system? I do it twice a year only because my inlaw who is hard of hearing needs the center channel turned up and the bass of the sub turned down and I forgot what my original settings were. But as far as positioninng and having to recalibrate, its all good.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Hey Maze,

How many times have you recalibrated your system? I do it twice a year only because my inlaw who is hard of hearing needs the center channel turned up and the bass of the sub turned down and I forgot what my original settings were. But as far as positioninng and having to recalibrate, its all good.
In the 2 1/2 years of so that I have had my system. I have calibrated it about 4-5 times. I haven't touched it since May, since IMO it sound great right now.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Have read over several (LOTS) of posts and roughly understand the need/use of the meter but just how do you use it? Is it a "directional" type of thing, you "point" it at a specific speaker and take a reading, ultimately adjusting all speakers to an equal level. Or do it just take an "area" reading?

Thanks Steve
Steve - most folks here will probably give you the same advice. Find your normal listening position (i.e., the couch, chair, wherever you intend to do most of your listening). It is best to attach the meter to a tripod (typical camera tripod) to ensure it is perfectly stationary. You will want to point the SPL meter's mic towards to ceiling, as it will be taking sound levels from each direction of the room in a typical surround sound setting.

Next, adjust your system's volume to the normal listening level (what you would normally have it at, during regular viewing/listening). Enter your Receiver's speaker level check (as found in your user's manual) - this will generate the pink noise from each speaker. You will want to find the reference level on the SPL meter that best aligns the sound level within the center of the range, and use that henceforth as your reference. Mine has ranges in 10db increments, at 20 dB range on each one, plus or minus.

There is no trick to this - it's ridiculously easy. Go through each speakers level check, and calibrate it to the same level (adjusting each speaker up or down), until all of the SPL meter readings are the same.

Oh, and you want to ensure you are on 'C' weighting, with a slow response.

Some people like to run their subwoofer a little hot (i.e., 5 dB or so above the reference level for added impact), but this is entirely up to you, and your own preferences.

I hope this helps. :D
 
supervij

supervij

Audioholic General
I find the SPL meter is very easy to use when it comes to all speakers but the sub. Whenever I try to level-match the sub, the needle is all over the place -- a few seconds it's bang on, the next few seconds it's six decibels higher, the next few seconds it's four decibels lower . . . the needle ricochets all over the place. How do I calibrate when the needle does that?

cheers,
supervij
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I find the SPL meter is very easy to use when it comes to all speakers but the sub. Whenever I try to level-match the sub, the needle is all over the place -- a few seconds it's bang on, the next few seconds it's six decibels higher, the next few seconds it's four decibels lower . . . the needle ricochets all over the place. How do I calibrate when the needle does that?

cheers,
supervij
Same here, until I got the Galaxy Audio DIGITAL SPL meter!
Makes level-matching SO SO EASY!

BTW, you did set to SLOW (instead of FAST) & dB-C (instead of dB-A), right?:)
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
My Radioshack digital SPL meter is pretty steady, I haven't had that problem at all. It may oscillate +/- 1 dB or so, but after a few seconds it will settle in and take hold on a specific reading.
 
G

Guangui

Full Audioholic
That is nice. Is it really 0.1dB resolution? The $60 Galaxy Digital SPL is 0.5dB resolution.
Yes it is! My cousin is a car audio freak, and recommended it as it is what he uses when judging car audio competition. Bought it, and it is really very accurate, more than what I need, but for picky people who like to mess with crossovers and like to say they have a supernatural ear, this is a great tool to have.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yes it is! My cousin is a car audio freak, and recommended it as it is what he uses when judging car audio competition. Bought it, and it is really very accurate, more than what I need, but for picky people who like to mess with crossovers and like to say they have a supernatural ear, this is a great tool to have.
Damn, I hate being cheap sometimes!
I spend all this money, but I can't pay an extra $20 for the 0.1dB resolution, instead of 0.5dB.
Thanks a lot!
I hate myself now.:D
 
supervij

supervij

Audioholic General
Same here, until I got the Galaxy Audio DIGITAL SPL meter!
Makes level-matching SO SO EASY!

BTW, you did set to SLOW (instead of FAST) & dB-C (instead of dB-A), right?:)
Yup, and yup. Slow and C. The needle never finally settles down. I don't understand why this happens. Do you think it's due to excessive reflective surfaces?

So you're saying that you had the same problem but that this new GA digital SPL meter can solve this problem? How? Does it work under different principles?

All I know is this problem with "the needle that won't rest" is driving me nuts. I never know where to set the level for my sub. I end up leaving it where YPAO suggests, but who knows if that's accurate?

cheers,
supervij
 
J

Jacksmyname

Audioholic
When using a meter, should I:
Set the levels first and then run the receiver's setup (RX-V3800) skipping the level check?
Or vice versa?
Thanks!
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I run the auto-cal and then go back and change the speaker size and crossover and then reset the levels with the SPL at 75db with the master level being "0" .
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yup, and yup. Slow and C. The needle never finally settles down. I don't understand why this happens. Do you think it's due to excessive reflective surfaces?

So you're saying that you had the same problem but that this new GA digital SPL meter can solve this problem? How? Does it work under different principles?

All I know is this problem with "the needle that won't rest" is driving me nuts. I never know where to set the level for my sub. I end up leaving it where YPAO suggests, but who knows if that's accurate?

cheers,
supervij
Yeah, I think it is acoustic related. I don't think the digital SPL meter will eliminate this problem. It just makes it easier. When you can actuallly see the numbers go from 74.0 dBC to 74.5 dBC or even between 74dB & 75dB, I just think it's more assuring than just seeing the needle go back and forth. At times I wonder if the needle is going from 70dB to 75dB or what? But with a digital meter, the numbers usually go back and forth in small increments.

Now if you have that $80 digital meter that goes in 0.1dB increment, it would be really assuring if you just see the numbers go from 74.8dB and 75.0 dB!

http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/extech/soundmeters/407730.htm
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I run the auto-cal and then go back and change the speaker size and crossover and then reset the levels with the SPL at 75db with the master level being "0" .
Do you guys usually wear ear plugs or headphones when this 75dBC sound is doing it's business?:)
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I set my master volume at -15 and then calibrate to 60db so that zero = 75db. I dont want to hear 75db of static;)
Do you guys usually wear ear plugs or headphones when this 75dBC sound is doing it's business?:)
 
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