Spending more on a receiver

[titan_789]

I am running 4 Paradigm Titan speakers and a Paradigm PS-1000 receiver.

I am planning to purchase the Denon AVR-1610.

Would I notice a difference in sound quality from a Denon receiver twice the cost of the 1610? My thought is that I would need bigger speakers to notice the difference.

 

[markw]

I didn't know paradigm made receivers.

As for receivers and pricing, particularly within the same brand, they generally include more features as opposed to quantum leaps in sound quality.

without knowing what you're comparing the 1610 to, you might be surprised that the power differences are not as great as you might surmise. There may be subtle differences internally that might make some difference in sound, but don't expect an epiphany.

Do, however, expect more convenience features like perhaps up-scaling, up-conversion, maybe a different processor but massive differences? I doubt it.

Your initial thoughts ere correct. The speaker swill have a greater impact on the sound than the receiver.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Double thread!!!

Hey Titan_789, you're asking the same question on two different threads of the same subject!!!

Please, don't bring more confusion to yourself by spreading into more threads.

Your answer is already in your original thread.

* By the way, your thought is not necessary right; it depends on several factors, like sensitivity and impedance of your speakers, size of your room, volume level, reasonable power supply from the receiver, low impedance drive capablity and others.

Thank you,

Bob

 

[markw]

How rude!

LOTR, This is NOT the same question you answered before. And, where do you get off chastising him for asking another question? You don't own this site. I don't either but I rarely blow up at newbies like you did here.

Titan, you did nothing wrong. Your question here had more focus and was substantially different to warrant a different answer. Feel fee to ask whatever you want. There's no limit but, if you do double post (and you didn't!) you will hear about it, although i would expect it to be in a nicer fashion.

Welcome, and don't let the grouches get you down.

..and your inclination was right.

 

[Davemcc]

* By the way, your thought is not necessary right; it depends on several factors, like sensitivity and impedance of your speakers, size of your room, volume level, reasonable power supply from the receiver, low impedance drive capablity and others.

There is some validity to the afterthoughts in Bob's post but it would depend on specific circumstances. The Titans don't "look" particularly hard to drive. If they are in a large room and are expected to be played very loud or with demanding material, there may be a real benefit to moving up to a higher model receiver with a stronger amp and larger power supply.

In most domestic usage, yes there will be little benefit. But as the demands of the room, expected volume or material increases, so will the benefits of a greater receiver.

 

[allargon]

I am running 4 Paradigm Titan speakers and a Paradigm PS-1000 receiver.

I am planning to purchase the Denon AVR-1610.

Would I notice a difference in sound quality from a Denon receiver twice the cost of the 1610? My thought is that I would need bigger speakers to notice the difference.

I tried to Google the PS-1000. It appears to be a sub not a receiver.

Are you looking for other features in a receiver besides what the AVR-1610 provides? (Yes, I'm asking the same question as Mark.)

 

[Lordoftherings]

LOTR, This is NOT the same question you answered before. And, where do you get off chastising him for asking another question? You don't own this site. I don't either but I rarely blow up at newbies like you did here.

Titan, you did nothing wrong. Your question here had more focus and was substantially different to warrant a different answer. Feel fee to ask whatever you want. There's no limit but, if you do double post (and you didn't!) you will hear about it, although i would expect it to be in a nicer fashion.

Welcome, and don't let the grouches get you down.

Hi Mark,

Rude! Chastising! Owning this site! (Just not yet ) Blow up! Grouches!

You are putting words in your own mouth, my post was very respectful and polite, with a special (smilie) to make sure of that.
It was only an innocent remark, with an additional constructive answer to his specific question*. What more do you want?
But no, you have to pick the wrong side of your own interpretation. I won't call you anything, you are smart enough to do the math.

* Nothing wrong here, or from me or from you, just be nice to people that are nice to you. I'm very cool with that. Are you?

I tried to Google the PS-1000. It appears to be a sub not a receiver.

Are you looking for other features in a receiver besides what the AVR-1610 provides? (Yes, I'm asking the same question as Mark.)

Yes, you're right the Paradigm PS-1000 is a subwoofer. The OP only made a small mistake in typing.

* And I think the Denon AVR-1610 is a very nice and appropriate receiver to match is nice Paradigm Titan speakers.

Bob

 

[titan_789]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say sub, not receiver!
Yes I am most certainly new to the audio world and looking to get the best bang for the buck. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say sub, not receiver!
Yes I am most certainly new to the audio world and looking to get the best bang for the buck. Thanks for the feedback.

No sweat Titan_789 (miss-typo happens). By the way, 789 stands for the Denon AVR-789, which is the model available at Best Buy and Future Shop in Canada, and which is the equivalent of the Denon AVR-1909, right?

Everybody is looking for the best bang for the buck, that's why we're here for.

* And I surely hope that I did not in any way make you feel down from my prior post, like I just clearly explained to Mark.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[PENG]

I am running 4 Paradigm Titan speakers and a Paradigm PS-1000 receiver.

I am planning to purchase the Denon AVR-1610.

Would I notice a difference in sound quality from a Denon receiver twice the cost of the 1610? My thought is that I would need bigger speakers to notice the difference.

Have you read this review yet?

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/reviews/fronts/titanmonitor_review_134.pdf

If you have plan on upgrading to hard to drive tower speakers then you should get a receiver that has preouts otherwise as others have stated, the 1610 should be fine for your Titans.

 

[Seth=L]

LOTR, This is NOT the same question you answered before. And, where do you get off chastising him for asking another question? You don't own this site. I don't either but I rarely blow up at newbies like you did here.

Titan, you did nothing wrong. Your question here had more focus and was substantially different to warrant a different answer. Feel fee to ask whatever you want. There's no limit but, if you do double post (and you didn't!) you will hear about it, although i would expect it to be in a nicer fashion.

Welcome, and don't let the grouches get you down.

..and your inclination was right.

He actually does have two threads going on about the same exact thing, and his question on the other thread has already been addressed.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56778

 

[Lordoftherings]

Have you read this review yet?

http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/reviews/fronts/titanmonitor_review_134.pdf

If you have plan on upgrading to hard to drive tower speakers then you should get a receiver that has preouts otherwise as others have stated, the 1610 should be fine for your Titans.

Hi PENG,

Good review from that link. The Paradigm Titan speakers have several excellent reviews all over the world, but you already knew that.

And going with the cheapest Denon receiver model that has preouts, he'll have to go with the AVR-2809ci, which is in a totally different price bracket.
But you probably knew that already also.

The AVR-1609 matched with it's Titan speakers is a match made in heaven.

 

[Lordoftherings]

He actually does have two threads going on about the same exact thing, and his question on the other thread has already been addressed.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56778

Thanks Seth=L, that's what I also thought.

 

[titan_789]

Preout is something found on larger speakers?
Is that feature mostly on higher quality large speakers?
This is a type of connection between speakers and receiver is it not?

 

[PENG]

Preout is something found on larger speakers?
Is that feature mostly on higher quality large speakers?
This is a type of connection between speakers and receiver is it not?

Preouts are preamp outputs. Some inexpensive receivers such as the Yamaha RX-V663, Onkyo TX-SR705, Harman Kardon AVR254 have preamp outputs for connections to external power amplifiers.

The Onkyo 705 will cost you about $200 more than the Denon 1610 but when you are ready to upgrade your speakers you will have the option to add a decent 3X200W per channel power amp for around $600 to drive your main (L,R,C) speakers. Adding a power amp will also give you the option to choose the speakers you like including those hard to drive ones.

 

[PENG]

Hi PENG,

Good review from that link. The Paradigm Titan speakers have several excellent reviews all over the world, but you already knew that.

And going with the cheapest Denon receiver model that has preouts, he'll have to go with the AVR-2809ci, which is in a totally different price bracket.
But you probably knew that already also.

The AVR-1609 matched with it's Titan speakers is a match made in heaven.

Hi Bob,

I know you knew that I know you knew already that something like an Onky 705 may be within his reach.

I thought he did say he might upgrade to tower speakers (in his other thread, #9) the preout features will give him the option to add external power amps in case he happens to like speakers that are hard to drive (low impedance+large phase shift+low sensitivity). And I am sure you knew this already too!

 

[Lordoftherings]

^ If I knew that already, I wouldn't know where to start knowing the unknown.