Speaking of Line conditioning, What do you guys think of this?!

Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Do you have problems with your lines now? Few do unless they live near airports (interference).

Regarding this post from this guys ebay site:
“Holy crap man, the imaging and sound staging is unbelievable! I was not expecting them to have this much of an impact. Secretly, I think this has been the best money spent in my studio.”

Utter B.S. Please. Next he'll tell you to invest in Bose or Monster products.

I use a Belkin batter backup/surge supressor/conditioner for my PC, and all it does it annoy the heck out of me when the power go off. BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, ... :mad:

If you are worried about a direct lightening strike, I think most if not all have a disclaimer avoiding liability in that case. Homeowners insurance would be a better bet if you have expensive equipment.
 
Daz3d&Confus3d

Daz3d&Confus3d

Full Audioholic
Good point about the homeowners insurance Buckeye.......I live in an area with alot of tornados (more emphasis on homeowners insurance...lol)....and some serious thunderstorms in which my power constantly flickers and fluctuates for a while.....I hate it!!! (Tulsa OK)

So that's why I've been interested in added protection with these last tweo threads Ive started.

thanks for the input :)
 
Daz3d&Confus3d

Daz3d&Confus3d

Full Audioholic
Excellent I'll check it out.....thx for the headsup!

I appreciate it!

:)
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
What are you buying it for? If you're buying it for protection, that's one thing. But if you're buying it because you think it will improve your sound or picture, don't bother. You'll only notice a difference with high-end esoteric separates. You've got a good receiver in your Denon. But a line conditioner for anything other than protection, is overkill.
 
Daz3d&Confus3d

Daz3d&Confus3d

Full Audioholic
yeah darien I was really just looking for protection because of my power fluctuations and instability here in Oklahoma. thx I ordered a decent Tripp-Lite so that should give me some more piece of mind
 
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skrivis

Junior Audioholic
Daz3d&Confus3d said:
yeah darien I was really just looking for protection because of my power fluctuations and instability here in Oklahoma. thx I ordered a decent Tripp-Lite so that should give me some more piece of mind
I've been using Tripplite Isobar power strips for computer equipment for years. I'm quite pleased with them.

I recently bought a bunch of 6-outlet Isobar Ultras off of Ebay for a song and I now have them on my stereo and TV too.

I also have a few Powervar and Oneac isolation transformers like the one listed on Ebay above. (I got them used from Ebay also, and have that same 11A model
that went for about $30, along with 4 others of varying sizes.)

I read through some white papers and tech info, and also quizzed a couple of engineers on this type of thing.

For standard audio equipment with linear power supplies, you're probably best off with good power strips like the Tripplites. For switching power supplies as used in computer equipment, an isolation transformer can help out (and won't hurt anyway).

There are a couple of things to be aware of.

One is that large isolation transformers like the ones from Oneac or Powervar may make noise. It seems to vary somewhat from sample to sample. It's likely that, the larger the transformer, the more noise you'll get. A buzzing transformer may not be what you want in your listening room.

Surge suppressors, powerstrips, and the Powervar and Oneac units use Metal Oxide Varistors (MOVs) to protect your equipment from voltage surges. MOVs can only take so many surges before they fail. So this is a part that can wear out. Be aware of that before buying this kind of thing used. The Tripplite Isobars have an LED indicator to tell you whether the MOVs are still functioning or not (as do some other brands of surge suppressors that I've seen).

Some of this type of equipment comes with an insurance policy for the equipment being protected. I suspect that these vary in quality depending upon the company. I've never tried to make a claim, so I don't know whether they're worthwhile or not.

I'm not sure that any of these devices will really protect you from a nearby lightning strike. They're a good idea to have and use, and they will probably help out during the course of normal operations, but I wouldn't count on them 100% to block lightning if the strike is close enough. So you definitely will still want to switch off delicate equipment during a thunderstorm.

One piece of advice I can offer is that, if the power does go out, go around and shut off whatever you can. When the power company fixes things and the power comes up, it usually flickers a few times before stabilizing. That's not going to be very good for anything that's plugged in and turned on. Some of the flickering may be due to the huge startup load from all kinds of motors and power supplies as the power comes on; which then is an overload for the power company and their protection equipment triggers... So turning things off is good for the power company too, as well as for your belongings. :)
 
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ian1386

Enthusiast
I tried out the PureAV PF60, which is the most expensive PureAV unit, since I got it quite cheap. I unpacked it, used it for a few days, packed it up, then sold it on ebay.

I didn't see/hear any difference whatsoever, except the sound of me saying "I can't believe people actually pay $750 for this".

Like other people have said, it might fix problems that you're having, but if you aren't having any problems then don't worry about it.
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
I agree completely. Paying big money for power conditioning if you haven't identified a problem is like having heart surgery if you don't have heart disease.
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
Geno said:
I agree completely. Paying big money for power conditioning if you haven't identified a problem is like having heart surgery if you don't have heart disease.
Well said.



In addition, each manufacturer sets operating standards and tolerances for their equipment, specifically that the unit will work with a line voltage of 120v +/- x or y value.

If you noticed I posted the tolerance as 120v. Assuming 240v delivered to your meter as required by most electrical codes, and one leg of power is 120v. However, most homes fail to maintain 120v at the outlet (voltage drop) and most home electrical devices will be designed based upon 115v or 110v. And then there is the chance that your apartment complex is wired for 208v service.

Bottom line, equipment manufacturers know household voltages are not stable or predictable. So the equipment will be designed to work with a wide variety of voltages.

(There are some industrial devices that will work with as little as 90v.)


What happens if voltage availability is really poor quality?

Yes, you could buy one of those line conditioners.


But before you do, read the owners manual for the equipment. Many modern electrical devices have a voltage detection circuit on the digital board of the unit. The detection circuit will cause error messages or complete shut down of the unit when dangerous (high or low) voltages are detected.

These detection circuits are not a substitute for a surge protector. The board detection circuit is for continous voltage and the surge would already be on the board causing damage to the unit.


In my experience with industrial equipment the shut down points are set at a voltage that is well below (or higher for low voltage) than the actual damage point, i.e if 138v is going to fry the tube, 130v will be the shut down point.



So why buy a line conditioner? If your household voltage is radically outside of the operating range of the equipment, the equipment will not operate. If the voltage varies to such a great degree that equipment shut down is possible a line conditioner may solve your problem. However, if your household voltage is that bad, may I suggest you contact your electrical supplier... per electrical codes your electrical supplier is required to provide the proper and stable voltage to your home... at no additional cost to you. If you want to buy a line conditioner go ahead. I would rather make a telephone call and save the $.
 

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