Speakers Recommendation Please

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shivang222

Enthusiast
Hey guys,

I was about to buy Bose speakers, when I came across this site that strongly advised not to get them. Can you guys suggest me some speakers for around $2,000? I want 5.1 speakers.

Also, I would appreciate it if somebody could explain to me if the receiver plays a role in the sound quality that the speakers deliver.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Welcome!

$2k is a good budget for speakers and there are many to choose from. You have to get out and audition as many as possible as everyone has different taste. Some storefront brands to check out include PSB, Paradigm, B&W, Usher, Monitor Audio, Definitive Technology, RBH, Mirage. Some internet brands include Axiom, Ascend, Aperion.

Plan to spend 70% of your budget on speakers as they're the most important piece with regards to SQ. Once speakers are chose, you can worry about a receiver. Modern receivers for the most part sound alike except when introducing their EQ systems. The main thing when choosing a receiver is features and whether it has enough power to drive your speakers.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Wow, you dodged a bullet there! Good thing you ran across this site.

In my opinion, some of the best deals in home theater come from internet direct companies which make great subwoofers as well as good speakers, and sell them in packages. Some companies to look at are Elemental Designs, HSU Research, and SVS. These are by no means the only ones. Ask around for more suggestions, there are a lot of other great options out there.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Avoided Bose? That's better than winning the freaking lottery! lol

Seriously though - Bose systems are a horrible rip-off and you are so, So, SO much better off now that I can scarcely explain it.

Anywho - you've been given the standard "catch all" advice of "go out and listen" and "internet direct companies are a great value". I do not disagree with this advice, but I am not a fan of giving it.

The reason is because - how do you know for what you are listening? You might LIKE the way a certain speaker sounds at the store, but that doesn't mean that it is accurate.

But more importantly, your equipment and your room are equal partners when it comes to sound quality. Room acoustics play just as large a role in the sound that you hear at your seat as the speakers and receiver and source that are being used to create the initial sound. So hearing a speaker at a store does not really tell you what it will sound like once you get it home!

Certain speakers work particularly well in certain types of rooms. There are many different types of rooms, which is why there are many different types of speakers!

The goal is to buy speakers that will work well WITH your room. You can have your speakers and room work together, or you can have them fight one another - obviously, if they are working together, that is better :)

So...we need to know about your room!

You have a good budget. We can recommend several options. But your BEST choice is going to be determined by your room.

What are the basic dimensions (width, length, height) of your room? Is it a closed room or does it have openings to other rooms of the house? Do you have carpet? Do you have thick curtains? Do you have lots of plush furniture? Do you have an acoustical treatments on your walls? Bass traps?

How far away is your seat from the speakers? How is your furniture set up within the room?

Diagrams and pictures are a HUGE help - but please describe your room in as much detail as possible. The more we know about your room, the better we can recommend speakers that will work particularly well within your room.

Also - do you strongly expect to be taking this system with you to another room in the future?

You avoided Bose, so you're already ahead of the game! Now it is time to maximize the performance you get for the price that you pay and in order to do that, we need to know all about your room :)

To answer your question about the receiver:

First and foremost, the receiver is your "hub". All sources get connected to the receiver, so naturally, you want your receiver to have enough connections that it can accommodate all of your sources and have a few inputs left over for possible future sources. You also want it to be able to handle all of the various sound formats that might come its way.

The receiver plays a significant role in the sound quality. First - it has to be able to decode and process the various sound formats. When I say "process", there are many things that a receiver might do to any given signal. It will perform bass management, it may expand stereo sources to 5.1 speaker output or expand 5.1 sources to 7.1 speaker output. It may also have "room correction" software that will attempt to alter the signal to correct for acoustical anomalies in your room.

After all of that processing, it's down to the amplification. Some speakers require more power than others. The worst thing that an amplifier can do is "clip" - which basically just means that it runs out of power and cannot play the sound as loudly as you would like. But before any amplifier "clips" it will distort. And, naturally, distortion is a bad thing! So you simply want to buy a receiver that has enough amplifier power to adequately drive your particular speakers to volumes as loud as you would like.

The room makes the biggest difference - the speakers make the second biggest difference. So first, we select speakers that will work well in your room and then we select a receiver that will work well with those speakers...make sense? :)

So I'll be happy to give you some recommendations once you write back to us with details about your room!
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
How about this?

SVS SBS-01 System with PB-12 = $1089
Onkyo 606 Used = $320
GIK Room Kit 1 = $543
Total = $1952

or

Aperion Intimus 4b x5 = $650
SVS SB12-Plus = $649
Onkyo 506 Used = $200
GIK Room Kit 1 = $543
Total = $2043

or

Infinity Beta 20(off ebay) x 5 = $250
SVS SB12-Plus = $649
Onkyo 606 Used = $320
GIK Room Kit 2 = $708
Total = $1927

One piece of advise is don't discount the infinity beta 20s because of their price. They are that cheap because they have been discontinued. While I have never heard the Betas side by side with the Intimus 4B, I have heard them side by side with the 5B, and while they weren't every bit as good as the 5B, they were pretty darn close. This leads me to believe that the Betas would fare pretty well againsted the 4B.

Also, I recommend the room kits with a bit of hesitations because in the end it's only a wise purchase if it works for your room.(i.e. don't buy the whole kit if every piece won't fit in your room). The reason I did mention them was because I believe that room acoustics are every bit as important to the sound as the speakers themselves. Also, without knowing your room size, I had trouble choosing a subwoofer. If you have a larger room, you may wan't to forgo the sealed sub I mentioned and opt for a ported design. Sealed subs are good for smaller spaces because they tend to have a more gradual roll-off which can equate to a better perceived sound quality. For subs, you could also look at HSU or Velodyne, I chose all SVS simply because it was easiest on me.

Like others have said though, you really do need to go listen to the speakers before you buy them. Keep in mind, if you are in a store, the speakers won't sound the same when you get them home. The great thing about the Internet Direct companies that I mentioned is that you can audition them in your home so you know exactly how they will sound. They will pay for shipping, Both ways :D
 
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shivang222

Enthusiast
Thanks for the great advice.

Okay so one to keep in mind is that I will not be buying these speakers online, I will be buying them at a store. Also, I will be buying them in Japan (basically they have the same options).

The room I will be putting them in is my dining room. The room dimensions are 5m x 4m x 2.2m (L x W x H). It looks like I do not have enough posts to be able to upload an image. I'll upload one soon though.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
rnatalli gives good advice. All the companies on his list produce quality speakers.

In theory I agree with FirstReflection, but in reality we have the least control over the room, particularly if we have a spouse with ideas about how a room should look. A good speaker will always sound better than a crappy speaker in a given room.

It does happen that speakers sound very different at home than in store, so its best to make your final decision based on an in home demo. If you can, and are willing to take the time, narrow it down to two speakers that you can compare at home.

If you can, put something in your budget for room treatments and do some reading on the subject. Aside from speakers, this will give you the best bang for your buck in sound improvements.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
For that size room, I would stick with bookshelves. They will give you plenty of volume in a small room and you will have more flexibility on placement.

Since you are in Japan, add Yamaha to your list. If you do a search here on Yamaha, you will come up with a thread that talks about one of their models that seems to be of good quality.
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
Good point. A lot of people overlook Yamaha but they actually do make quality speakers. I believe one of their lower end speakers won a budget speaker shootout not to long ago.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Paradigm Reference Studio series & B&W speakers.

Well, Yamaha speakers? Not generally, some professional studio near field monitors, yes.

Back in Japan, audition B&W speakers, and also Paradigm Reference Studio series speakers, if available; I sure hope so, we're working our butts off to make them excellent sounding, and with all the research that goes into them; and we like that people around the world can benefit from them too, that's the Canadian way; sharing peace, comfort, passion, dedication, spirit, indians, totems, arrows, woods, love, friendship, and all the good things in life. :)

Cheers,

Bob
 
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shivang222

Enthusiast
In Japan I researched and this is what we have available from the companies you mentioned (in order of availability): Yamaha, B&W, Monitor Audio, Klipsch, KEF, Tannoy. At this moment I am really interested in B&W. I like how they look and they receive good reviews. Paradigm cannot be found anywhere, unfortunately.

Also, some popular Japanese brands are Onkyo and Denon. Does anyone recommend them?
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Mix & Match.

In Japan I researched and this is what we have available from the companies you mentioned (in order of availability): Yamaha, B&W, Monitor Audio, Klipsch, KEF, Tannoy. At this moment I am really interested in B&W. I like how they look and they receive good reviews. Paradigm cannot be found anywhere, unfortunately.

Also, some popular Japanese brands are Onkyo and Denon. Does anyone recommend them?
For speakers -> B&W. :) And #2 -> KEF. And #3 -> Monitor Audio.

And for receivers -> Both Onkyo & Denon are great brands. :)

1. With B&W speakers, a Denon receiver is a good match. (Onkyo would also do with certain smoother models.)
(Too bad, you did not mentioned Marantz, that would have been a better match.)

2. With KEF speakers, an Onkyo receiver is a good match. (Denon would also do with certain brighter models.)

3. With monitor Audio speakers, a Denon receiver is a good match.

Cheers,

Bob
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
shivang222. Take some music you are really familiar with and go listen to the various speakers. IMO even companies like B&W make good and not so good speakers. Get a feel for what you like and then come back with any additional questions.

Onkyo and Denon are both good brands. Some of the low end Onkyo will not drive 4 Ohm speakers, but once you get into the mid to upper range receivers its a matter of feature preference.
 
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shivang222

Enthusiast
Unfortunately, I could only try a few. I tried Denon but was disappointed. I then tried B&W speakers, and I was really impressed. I got hooked to them. Then, just for fun I tried the Bose speakers and I now see why you guys hate them so much. Compared to the B&W's they seemed like crap.

Anyway so I came up with a very premature system:

B&W 685 x2 (front)
B&W 686 x2 (rear)
HTM61 (center)
ASW608 (subwoofer)
Denon ACR-1610 (amp)

Total: about $2,500

Tell me what you guys think.
 
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shivang222

Enthusiast
Actually, I just realized that they had Marantz and somebody recommended it to me. So this is what the new configuration looks like:

B&W 685 x2 (front)
B&W 686 x2 (rear)
HTM61 (center)
ASW608 (subwoofer)
Marantz PM7003 (amp)

Total: about $2,550

How does this look? suggestions or improvements?
 
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Robof83

Audioholic
Looks like you have a great setup going there. Those are some great speakers.:)
 
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shivang222

Enthusiast
It looks like some suggest that a better setup may be to couple the B&W speakers with another subwoofer. Any suggestions for that?
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Actually, I just realized that they had Marantz and somebody recommended it to me. So this is what the new configuration looks like:

B&W 685 x2 (front)
B&W 686 x2 (rear)
HTM61 (center)
ASW608 (subwoofer)
Marantz PM7003 (amp)

Total: about $2,550

How does this look? suggestions or improvements?
Yes, Marantz and B&W speakers are a better match than the Denon receiver.

Highly recommended combination.

This is great that you now have access to Marantz audio products. :)

Bob
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
It looks like some suggest that a better setup may be to couple the B&W speakers with another subwoofer. Any suggestions for that?
Yes, an SVS SB12-Plus (sealed sub). But do you have access to it, it's an online dealer?
 
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