Speakers: For Music or Movies, stupid question

Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
I've read in many post, and think its stupid when someone recommends speakers because "They are great for movies". What? Am I missing something, or is it my imagination again. Damn near every movie I've ever watched has this thing called a sound track, and in 90% or more there is MUSIC! Some movies go so far as to put out a recording of music used in the MOVIE.

Another dumb question is, "They sound great for music, how are they at movies?" I'm no expert, but sound waves at different frequencies are just that, sound right?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I'm with you 100%.

I think that people will say one speaker (usually is a subwoofer) is better for music or movies due to the characteristics of the speaker. For example, a movie soundtrack may have super low bass (say 25 Hz) at a very high level - near 0 dB - whereas music rarely goes below 40 Hz. So of course the speaker may have trouble accurately reproducing all of the movie soundtrack at high playback levels.

As far as 'normal' frequencies and levels, if it sounds good for music it will sound good for movies and vice-versa.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
I agree. I think that speakers should be auditioned with music. I find music reveals the strengths and weaknesses of speakers because its more demanding in range and details.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
I've read in many post, and think its stupid when someone recommends speakers because "They are great for movies". What? Am I missing something, or is it my imagination again. Damn near every movie I've ever watched has this thing called a sound track, and in 90% or more there is MUSIC! Some movies go so far as to put out a recording of music used in the MOVIE.

Another dumb question is, "They sound great for music, how are they at movies?" I'm no expert, but sound waves at different frequencies are just that, sound right?
Yeah Ric, "movie" speakers always left me scratching my head.:confused:
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

Senior Audioholic
Here's a different example, guys. I like Definitive Technology speakers for movies, but Vandersteens for music. My reasoning? The DT bipolar sound offers me a huge soundfield, which is nice for a movie. For me, they didn't image as well as other speakers due to their bipolar implementation (yeah, I played with placement a LOT). Their high efficiency offers lots of bang for less amp power. My ex-BP2002TLs had built in subs that could slam the LFE track (well, to within the limits of the sub itself) of a movie.

My Vandersteens are more laid back, more refined. They don't have the huge (somewhat artificial, to me) sound stage that work nicely for movies, but they image beautifully for music. I find their bass to be less bloated than the DTs (that can be controlled somewhat via parametric EQ, crossover settings and gain knobs in the DTs). I find them to be warmer/less bright. They are less sensitive, so they need more power for the same amount of slam (this becomes moot if you have tons of power either way). Actually, the Vandersteens simply cannot achieve the same amount of slam as the DTs, regardless of input power.

So, to me, DTs are more "movie" speakers and Vandersteens are more "music" speakers. I have Vandersteen fronts and center and still have my DT surrounds. The mains sound great for music. From there it follows that they'll sound at least dang good for movies. And they do.

Both systems are sweet, no doubt, and I'm not trying to cut down or lift up one or the other (any of 'em are too heavy to lift up!). Anyway, that's my first hand experience with "movie" or "music" speakers in my own home. FWIW, I had the DTs for about 1.5 years, and the Vandersteens (3A Sig) for about 9 months now.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Otto's explanation actually does make sense. I hadn't really thought of it that way.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Here's a different example, guys. I like Definitive Technology speakers for movies, but Vandersteens for music. My reasoning? The DT bipolar sound offers me a huge soundfield, which is nice for a movie. For me, they didn't image as well as other speakers due to their bipolar implementation (yeah, I played with placement a LOT). .
That is because you are comparing two speakers with different design goals. Perhaps on is more accurate than the other which may exaggerate certain things that you prefer more.

But, a well designed speaker that is accurate, will do equally well for both, but a curtain is needed so one would not be biased when comparing :D

I believe the CRC has commented on this.:D
 
Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
Well if one has the means, go for it, but I'm just a simpleton that can't justify putting my $1000.00 Aperions aside, for say, some Ushers just for music. I wish I could, but I'm mainly into music, and listen to it all day (I'm retired, so surfing the net with music takes up alot of time :D), and the Aperions are fine enough for me ;)
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

Senior Audioholic
That is because you are comparing two speakers with different design goals.
Oh, absolutely! Of course, it's all very subjective as to what you like, and what works for you in what situations.

I certainly wouldn't want an audio shop to segregate "movie" speakers and "music" speakers. It's dependent on the individual. But when people ask for recommendations without further specification, I usually ask what their goals are. If they say 100% movies, I wouldn't recommend Vandersteen (and neither would most others). But they'll recommend DTs all over the place. Part of it may be something akin to urban legend where some "think" that these two particular brands of speakers fit these categories, so it may skew that way.

Similar to the bipolar speakers, I've also had Magnapans, which are dipolar. Big sound stage, good image, good for music, bad for movies (for me). Philosophically, they're more similar to the DTs than the Vandersteen.

In the end, definitely go for what sounds good for you. I won't shoot down anyone for using DTs exclusively for music, etc.

What's the CRC?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Oh, absolutely! Of course, it's all very subjective as to what you like, and what works for you in what situations.

I certainly wouldn't want an audio shop to segregate "movie" speakers and "music" speakers. It's dependent on the individual. But when people ask for recommendations without further specification, I usually ask what their goals are. If they say 100% movies, I wouldn't recommend Vandersteen (and neither would most others). But they'll recommend DTs all over the place. Part of it may be something akin to urban legend where some "think" that these two particular brands of speakers fit these categories, so it may skew that way.

Similar to the bipolar speakers, I've also had Magnapans, which are dipolar. Big sound stage, good image, good for music, bad for movies (for me). Philosophically, they're more similar to the DTs than the Vandersteen.

In the end, definitely go for what sounds good for you. I won't shoot down anyone for using DTs exclusively for music, etc.

What's the CRC?
Perhaps you don't like the Vandersteen for movies but why would others dislike them as well? Do they have a weakness?

I put the wrong initials, it should have been NRC, Canadian Research Center where they have done audio research for decades. Dr. Toole used to be there for many years, or decades.

Most Canadian speaker companies have used their research and facility to design their speakers.

http://www.soundstagelive.com/factorytours/psbnrc/

http://www.psbspeakers.com/audioTopics.php?fpId=4
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Having worked in computers,...

...I've always thought of Cyclic Redundancy Check, a method used to assure accurate data transmission.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/CRC.html

But, as to the discussion at hand, I've found that speakers that sound good for music will sound good for HT. From my experience, I'd have to say that the opposite does necessarially not hold true.

That's why I always suggest that when one shops for speakers using music only media as their main selection media.
 
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