Speakers and Receivers

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Gate7

Audiophyte
HI all, I thought i'd ask a couple of questions regarding receiver types and speakers.

My theatre room dimensions are 7.40mts length, 4.70mts width and 2.80mts height.
My questions are.
For a room this size would you go for the 5:1, 6:1 or a 7:1 channel receiver?
Also would you prefer to go for 100watts per channel max? or go up to 200 using a pre-amp?

As for the speaker types I suppose it all comes to personal taste and budget but with so many to choose from it can get a little confusing and frustrating.

Budget for receiver is around $5000 australian and around $6000 max for speakers. What would you go for or have, for a similar size room.
P.S This room is MOVIE only.
Thanks all
Gate7
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
Seems your room is sufficiently large enough to accommodate a 7.1. Personally I'd stick with a 5.1 using separate AV preamp and a multichannel power amp or a stack of stereo power amps or monoblocks. There's hardly any DVD material out there that have been encoded in 7.1. A few have 6.1 using the DD-EX or DTS-EX formats. And since your budget seems adequate enough, you could audition any of those mid-priced Denon, HK and NAD receivers which are excellent digital procoessors in themselves. Try them out first. Make sure they have pre-outs for each of their channels. That way, should you crave for more power, you can route these preouts to mate with external power amps that are rated at least twice in power.

With regard speakers, your choice would really be a subjective call. I would suggest you audition the speakers together with the amp or receivers you have in mind. Offhand I would say that most commercial soeakers can pair well with any commercial AV recievers and amps ih the entry to mid-price points. Just be guided by the following, not fast rules, but they worked well for me:

(1) Impedance matching is important. 8-ohm speakers for 8-ohm amps. Having the right speakers can achivee the greatest transfer of power from your amp. But this becomes less important with "high-current" receivers and amps that can drive 4 ohm loads continuously.

(2) Most commericial speakers have a sensitivity rating of 88-89db. The higher the sensitivity, the louder it gets for the same impedance and amp power.

(3) Use a subwoofer rated at least 2 times that of the continuous power per channel of your receiver. Bass frequencies in explosions and crashes in movies are supposed to be overwhelming, often exceeding the percieved SPLs of your main channels.

(4) Use front, center and surround speakers from the same series in a model line up. That's the safest you can go for timbre matching.

(5) On the assumption you won't drive the amp and speakers to anywhere near maximum levels, each speaker's rated RMS power should be close to that of your reciever's per channel continuous power rating, + or - 25%.

(6) Check the electric power consumption at the back panel of the amp or receiver. It should at least be 1.5 times that of the claimed continuous power output for all the channels combined.

(7) The ability to drive low impedance loads is the mark of a good amp's ability to supply peak current when called for by speaker loads that can dip well below 4 ohms at certain portions of the frequency spectra. Check the back panel for the speaker impedance mimimum requriement. I would stay away from amps and receivers that require a minimum of 8 ohms. They can easily starve for current demands during peak transients. Also stay clear from amps/recievers with impedance selector switches to drive either 4 or 8 ohms speakers. These are current limiting switches that speak loudly of the amp's inability to drive low impedance loads safely.

(8) Whether you go for 100wpc of 200wpc, just make sure the power rating is CONSERVATIVELY rated. That means the figures are arrived at using ALL Chanels Driven into 8 ohm load at Full Bandwidth. Anything less will be an overstatement of the claimed power that you can never have in real listening conditions. For your particular room size, I'd go for a 200Wpc amp or receiver. You can never go wrong with having the most power for your budget. Better to err on the side of plenty. You can always tone down if need be; but you cannot max the volume from a weak amp and expect to get the SPLs that are pleasing to the ears, much less expect the speakers to live long.
 
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Gate7

Audiophyte
Thanks Av_phile.

Being a novice at this, I don't want to go out and spend $30,000 worth of equipment which could end up being sub-par to what I could get out of $25,000 of well evenly matched and arranged equipment.
My friend and I have seen a fair few receivers,amps and speakers in the last couple of days. Elac and Denon are probably our choices .

With the Pre-amp would it be better If they were the same Brand? or mix and match just as good?

The Rotel 1095 THX 5 channel power amp should be more than adequate at 200watts RMS per channel?

Here's the Specs


Continuous Power Output (20-20khz) 200 watts pr channel into 8ohms
Din Power Output (1khz, 1%) 300 watts pr channel into 4ohms
Total harmonic distortion (20hz-20khz,8ohms) <0.03%
intermodulation Distortion (60hz: 7khz,4:1) <0.03%
Frequency Response (+0.5db,-3db) 10-70,000hz +/- 3db
Signal to noise ratio(IHF A network) 116db (stereo)
Input Impedance/Sensitivity 33kOhms/1.5 volt (unbalanced)
Damping Factor (20-20khz,8ohms) 400

Power Consumption 800 watts
Power Requirements (AC) 230-240volts, 50hz
Dimensions (WxHxD) 440x240x398mm
Weight (net) 34kg

I'm asking you cause you seem to know what you're talking about.
Thanks
Gate7
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
The Rotel RMB 1095 is one hell of a muscled amp that would have no problem driving even difficult loads. It's one of those "high current" amps that are conservatively rated (ALL channels driven into 8 ohms at full bandwidth at the specified THD). It's so heavy (at 75lbs) I think it has roller ball casters that you can optionally roll under the chassis to move this brute. I've seen one in one of our local AV shops. The electric power consumption is 1,200 watts, not 800 watts as you've posted. If you can afford this, go for it.

With regards the pre-amp, I would think the RMB 1095 can accept any respectable AV preamp out there. But if you can afford an all-Rotel set-up I would suggest that you get the Rotel RSP 1098 or 1068 (no DTS 96/24) both of which are 7.1 (so you may want to add a stereo power amp later for the back channels). Not only would they be a sonic match, but I can imagine they'd make a nice visual ensemble on your rack with their silver and black facade.

You could consider also the Aragon Stage One and its matching multichannel 2005 5ch power amp (also 200wpc). OR check out some NAD separates T163 AV preamp plus tuner and its matching T973 7ch power amp (but only 140wpc into 7 channels)

With regards speakers, I'd get a B&W 700 or 800 series to match the ROTEL (B&W uses Rotel as its official amp for testing and voicing their speakers). But they'd sound just as gorgeous on either the NAD or Aragon.

Just my preferences.
 
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NickOZ

Guest
Might I suggest the following. A NAD T743 us its preamp outs and connect it to a Rotel RMB 1095 (200W per channel X5) I got this combo for $3650 Aust This will give you $7,000 for speakers. Here I would suggest Dynaudio Audience and let me tell you you will have one kickass home theatre.
 
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Jethro

Guest
NickOZ said:
Might I suggest the following. A NAD T743 us its preamp outs and connect it to a Rotel RMB 1095 (200W per channel X5) I got this combo for $3650 Aust
I was thinking of just such a combo - although the cheapest RMB 1095 I can find is AUD $3200. Where did you pick up yours?

And is a NAD T743 good enough, sonically? I was thinking of adding a Rotel stereo pre-amp to the above, but is that unnecessary if you have the NAD?
 

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