Speaker wattage input vs required amp

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newtoaudio90

Enthusiast
Hey guys if a speaker is rated 30-130 watts does this mean you need at least a 30 watt amp?

I have a topping tp20 with 20 watts and 13 clean watts into 8 ohms. Would this be adequate.

What would happen if I put a 30-130 watt speaker with an amp not powerful enough?
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
That rating you mention is just an arbitrary number which the speaker manufacturer believes will satisfy most listening habits. Generally, most people tend to prefer to be on (or over) the high side and use their ears and common sense to tell them when the speaker/amp combo is reaching it's limits and turn it down.

Too low power and you might not get the full range your speaker is capable of producing. While most "average" listening is done with between .5 - 1 watts, turning it up, even slightly increases the demands in the amp exponentially.

To put it simply, a barely audible increase of 3 decibels requires twice the power. That aforementioned number is now 1 -2 watts. To double the apparent loudness of what you're listening to (which is easily accomplished with musical peaks) requires ten times the power. Now we're drawing 5 - 10 watts. When you consider that many peaks are more than double the average listening level.it's easy to see where problems can arise.

When you consistently put more demands on an amp than it can deliver, it distorts in a manner called "clipping", which is not a good thing for the amp, the speakers, or even your ears.

But, if you're happy with listening at consistently low, even background, levels, you should get by with your current situation.

IF you want this worded in a more professional manner, click on this link.

If you want to get a more "real world" idea of what these decibel thingies are and how they relate to what you are actually hearing, click this link

With these two links, you should be able to "do the math" for yourself and determine if you feel what you have is sufficient. Hint: you might want to check the sensitivity rating on your speaker. That's fairly important to any answer you might get.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Addendum:

I did a little checking on your amp. I don't know from where you got your numbers, but my minimal research shows that 13 watt figure is at a 10% distortion level. There's no way in hell that's considered clean.

"The amp has landed. The Topping TP20 Mark 2 amp using the Tripath TA2020 chip, that produces a rated 13W maximum per channel into 8 ohms. But since that is with a 10% THD figure, we'll take the 7W per channel figure which is the maximum power into 8 ohms with a THD of 0.01% as the more relevant figure."

Here's my source for that snippet.

You're pretty much into the "flea power" category where extremely efficient speakers (95+ db sensitivity)are mandatory.
 
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newtoaudio90

Enthusiast
Thanks very much Markw. My mistake on the 'clean watts'

So if most listening is between .5 and 1 watt what does it mean if speakers are rated 30-150 watts?

So essentially I need a more powerful amp or more sensitive speakers?

On this note ( I have asked this under a beginners forum post), but these speakers state that they have a program wattage of 150 and an recommended input of 30-150. Whats the program wattage and is it relevent?

Sensitivity is 89 in a listenign room and 87 in a anechoic chamber?? Whatever that is? Which value should I take?

so 89 at 1 watt. 92 at 2 watts and 95 at 4watts and 98 at 8 watts (where distrotion starts to increase).

Essentially it will work but, would have to be at low levels as not to induce clipping and damge the components?

This is what I gather from everything people have told me. The only things confusing me now are the two stated wattages ('program'), and the two stated sensitivities?

Thanks so much for your help its been really informative.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
The watage ratings on your speaker are of no concern to your little amp.

As for a maximm wattage. I think I was fairly coprehensive in the post. If not, the two links whould have made it clearer.

Like I said, the most importnat thin to consider is the sensitivity of your speakers and you seem to have done that and seem to rationalize that your choice of amp is fine for your purposes.

to each his own.

I have no idea what "program wattage" is.
 

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