Speaker question(suggestions) and tying cables together whether or not quality goes.

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jalvarez699

Enthusiast
Hi everyone,

I have finally seen the light(or heard), thanks to you guys!!I previously owned a Bose Lifestyles 18.

What i have now is a Panasonic SA-XR50 receiver with a Athena LC100 Center Channel, Quest QB6NX front speakers, Quest subwoofer, and Athena WS-15B Rear Channel. Right now it sounds MUCH better than my old system. I also have an HDMI switcher attached to my TV for my PVR, HDDVD player and 360.

My first question is whether or not I have a proper setup here. Or should I see if I can find some WS-15's for the front channels as well. I am running 16 Gauge wire to all of them.

My second question has to do with wiring everything. I have such a spider web of wires in behind my TV and reciever that I am wondering if I use nylon ties to hold them together so its not such a mess. Is this going to be an issue for the signal quality for both the audio and video?

One other question. Does it matter with the quality of the cable? I see that monster makes a XP cable with a "plastic" sleeve down the center that apparently allows the Bass/Treble to travel at the same rate? Also does it matter which direction a cable is plugged in? My Sub cable has an arrow and I figure that meant signal direction, so i plugged it into my receiver's audio out. Not sure if that will cause an issue?

I hope i posted this in the right spot. I did read other posts but they weren't what i was wondering.

Thanks again for the help!!

Justin
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Hi, Justin. Here's my input on your questions:

1. If things sound great to you, then you have a proper set-up...that's really the bottom line. That said, I tend to follow the thinking that it's best to match the sonic qualities of the center channel and front speakers (generally called timbre matching), and that's much easier if you get the same brand name and get speakers that our designed to be matched. However, you can overcome some differences by using equalization on the speakers. If your receiver has an auto setup feature (and I'll download the manual and check) that does equalization, you are probably set. If things sound the same to you as they travel from one side of the screen to the next (so, the sound passes from one side speaker to the center channel, then from the center channel to the other side speaker), you're gold.

2. Bundling the audio and video cables shouldn't give you any problems. You do want to avoid bundling power cables with your A/V cables, though.

3a. Quality of cable does matter up to a certain point, but no further. Personally, I'd ignore the claims about the speaker wires carrying the different frequencies at the same speed. Monster makes good cable, but you'll be perfectly fine with other, much cheaper brands.

3b. I tend to think that the direction doesn't matter, but I do recall someone posting on here about it possibly mattering depending on a design parameter that I can't remember (I think that it involved the shielding or grounding scheme). Either way, if the cable has a direction arrow, it never hurts to follow that guideline. For other cables that don't have arrows - don't worry about it, just plug them in however you want.

EDIT: Okay, I see now that your receiver doesn't have an auto set-up feature that will try to apply equalizer settings to your speakers. No biggie - that would just help compensate for sonic differences between the speakers.
 
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jalvarez699

Enthusiast
thanks!

Thanks for the info Adam. What would you suggest a good movie or something to test the audio. I am going to be fixing my spiderweb tonight so once that is done, then i will goof around with the settings. Would you happen to know any good sites that have setting up the panasonic reciever properly, I am pretty sure that i have it set up right, it just never hurts to ask!

Thanks again!

Justin
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Justin,

No problem at all! This link here is for a recent thread on good movies for surround sound. My post in that thread was for good surround effects from the rear speakers, but there are other suggestions on good sounding movies. I think that Transformers is an excellent sounding movie.

I could look, but I don't know any sites off hand that talk about setting up that Panasonic. I'd be happy to help you out with any questions, if you have any.

Adam
 
J

jalvarez699

Enthusiast
sweet

Thanks again. I am going to get everything re-hooked up and wired and then if i do have any questions i will let you know. I actually have one. What is SFC? and would it be better to run Dolby Digital, DD DTS, as well what is DTS Neo 6?

Thanks...
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
SFC (Sound Field Control) is Panasonic's name for their digital signal processing sound modes. Manufacturers give it different names, but a lot of them will add some modes to their receivers. They process the audio and try to add some sort of effect to it. For example, your "Live" mode is described as "Imparts the reflection and spread of a large concert hall." So, my guess is that the receiver will adjust the timing of the signals being sent to your speakers to give it more of an "echoey" sound. You can always try out those modes to see if you like them. I almost never used them on my Yamaha.

Dolby Digital and DTS are both good. Which one to use can come down to which is available on the DVD that you're playing. Some DVDs have both, and if that's the case, try them both out. I prefer DTS, but some people can't tell a difference between them. DTS is less compressed than Dolby Digital. I'm not up to date on DTS Neo 6, but from the description, I think that it converts 2-channel audio (like music or a stereo TV broadcast) and plays it through a 6-channel system (front speakers, center channel, rear surround speakers, and rear center channel - if you have that one).
 
J

jalvarez699

Enthusiast
cool. Yeah that makes sense. I will cycle through them and see but if i can especially for gaming i will hopefully be able to use dolby dts....we shall see.

I was looking on the back of my sub and it has a bunch of inputs (I don't have the manual for this as i bought it clearance at Futureshop for 15.00 instead of 150.. one of the joys of being an ex employee) But it has a sub out, where i plugged my Sub cable to, and then it also has left and right speaker inputs. Do i need to use those?

Sorry for all the questions, i am a total N00b when it comes to this.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
No worries about the questions! We like helping out when we can.

Do you know the model number for your sub? I might be able to find the manual for you. As for the connections, you only need to use either (a) a line-level input...the ones with the RCA connectors, or (b) the speaker-level inputs. You don't use both. Because your receiver has a subwoofer output, that's what you'd use - and I think that's what you are using based on what you've written. You shouldn't also connect the speaker inputs on the sub.
 
J

jalvarez699

Enthusiast
Cool! Thanks. Anyways the model of my sub is Quest T700 i believe. Another question. What is the proper Hz i should set it at for the crossover?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Your receiver will take care of routing the proper frequencies to the sub, so you will want to either (a) disable the cross-over on the sub if it has a switch for that or (b) set the cross-over on the sub to the highest possible frequency. I'll look for that manual now, and that might help make this more clear.

Regarding your receiver deciding where to send the bass frequencies (called bass management), most systems benefit from having all speakers set to "SMALL". I would suggest that you leave the cross-over frequency (Panasonic calls it the "cut-off" frequency) at the default 100 Hz. It doesn't look like you can lower that, and I don't recommend setting it higher than that. That said, you can always experiment with that cut-off to decide what you like the best.

EDIT: Sorry, but I didn't find any references to a Quest T700 subwoofer from a few Google searches.
 
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jalvarez699

Enthusiast
great thanks for the help. I am running out right now, so you won't get lightning fast replies. But I will be back.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
HT gear.

You could always experiment by swapping the mains with the surround channels. Make sure you adjust the speaker levels on the receiver when you do this.

Also, don't "buy" into the Monster cable hype. The wire size (AWG) is the most important spec for speaker wire and all coax coax is the same as far as the audio band is concerned. Check out monoprice for cables.
 
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jalvarez699

Enthusiast
well i have finished re-routing my birds nest of cables. I have played with the sound a little (watched Transformers in HD) all i can say...is WOW. What was I thinking when I got that Bose system! (at least i paid 100.00 for it!) Thank goodness I sold it and went back to my old ways and old setup with some new speakers (new front, and surround)

Now a question about the receiver. What is SAP and MAIN mean? or DR PROG? As well as A/T Attentuater? The manual is not much help sadly :(

As for the speaker distance. When I run a levels test, should all the speakers sound the same. What i mean is that from where i am sitting i should have the DB sounding the same from each one? or should I decrease the surrounds and increase the fronts? I hope that did not confuse anyone.

Thanks guys!
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Glad you renjoying your new setup. :) I have an old Technics receiver myself but unfortunately, I don't have anything labelled as SAP, DR, or PROG. Usually SAP is something found on TVs enabling text of the show to appear on the screen. I think thats what that is. Its been so ling since I played wmith my TV's menu.

As far as speakers go, the distance I think is teh ditance of teh speakers relative to your listening position. Thats how that's measured out. And you are quite right. All the speakers should have the same SPL (sound pressure level) coming from them relative again to your seating position. The best way to acheive this is to get an SPL meter from Radio Shack and the DVD Essentials test DVD or Avia test DVD for setting up your audio/vidoe levels. If you don't have or can't get these two DVDs, look at your collection of Disney DVDs and one of them should contain the THX optimiser section. You can use that in combo with an SPL to set your levels.

Quest speakers eh? Futur Shop? Canadian? :)

well i have finished re-routing my birds nest of cables. I have played with the sound a little (watched Transformers in HD) all i can say...is WOW. What was I thinking when I got that Bose system! (at least i paid 100.00 for it!) Thank goodness I sold it and went back to my old ways and old setup with some new speakers (new front, and surround)

Now a question about the receiver. What is SAP and MAIN mean? or DR PROG? As well as A/T Attentuater? The manual is not much help sadly :(

As for the speaker distance. When I run a levels test, should all the speakers sound the same. What i mean is that from where i am sitting i should have the DB sounding the same from each one? or should I decrease the surrounds and increase the fronts? I hope that did not confuse anyone.

Thanks guys!
 
J

jalvarez699

Enthusiast
Thanks 3DB!

Yeah Canadian I am. Yeah I picked them up at Future shop when I was still an employee there. The speakers cost me 10.00 and the sub was 10 as well. In fact my entire speaker setup including my reciever cost me just under 100.00. I love when they do Clearance deals :D

How much are those SPL meters?? I do have digital video essentials, so i guess the last thing i need to get is that SPL meter.

Thanks again!

J
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Between $70 and $85 dollars new


QUOTE=jalvarez699;448524]Thanks 3DB!

Yeah Canadian I am. Yeah I picked them up at Future shop when I was still an employee there. The speakers cost me 10.00 and the sub was 10 as well. In fact my entire speaker setup including my reciever cost me just under 100.00. I love when they do Clearance deals :D

How much are those SPL meters?? I do have digital video essentials, so i guess the last thing i need to get is that SPL meter.

Thanks again!

J[/QUOTE]
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks 3DB!

Yeah Canadian I am. Yeah I picked them up at Future shop when I was still an employee there. The speakers cost me 10.00 and the sub was 10 as well. In fact my entire speaker setup including my reciever cost me just under 100.00. I love when they do Clearance deals :D

How much are those SPL meters?? I do have digital video essentials, so i guess the last thing i need to get is that SPL meter.

Thanks again!

J
I am going to buying my SPL meter here as a part of my birthday present. SonicBoomAudio (SVS Canada) RS Analog SPL Meter $59. You can also buy a calibration bundle (SPL + Disks). This link will take care of all your needs for an SPL meter.

http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/cables-accessories-sound-calibration-c-6_18.html?zenid=a3469db0031bbc8d6cf8574c799a3674
 
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