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EdmMike

Audiophyte
Right now I have PSB MKII for the fronts and PSB 100C for the centre, and have klipsch SS .5 for the rears. I was thinking of replacing my fronts and the centre with Klipsch F2's and C2. Is this worth spending the money or should I keep what I have running?? Can't decide if this is worth the money?!?!?!!?
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Do you just want a change in your sound, or do you want a definite improvement? If you just want a change, going to those Klipsch front speakers will accomplish that. In some ways, they might sound better than your current PSB speakers. But in other ways, they will probably sound a bit worse to your ears. So I wouldn't call them an improvement. They will definitely sound different, but in overall quality, I would call it basically a sideways move.

I get the feeling thy you might just be wanting to have you front speakers be from the same company as your surround speakers. This isn't really necessary. I would recommend that you stuck with what you have for now. Save up your money so that when you do eventually replace your speakers, you can make a true upgrade in the overall sound quality and not just a change. If all you want is a change though, then going with the Klipsch will be fine :)
 
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EdmMike

Audiophyte
Thank you so much for the response. I will definitely take your advice on this. The reason I was looking at this change in speakers is exactly the reasons you said: It was advised to me by the salesman to match all speakers, and since I have the new ss .5 for my four surround speakers, I thought I would be doing an upgrade to my fronts this way/ and also I thought this would improve my sound. I feel better now with this way since I really enjoy the sound of my PSB's either watching a movie or listening to music. So thanks again to FirstReflection.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
You're most welcome! :)

Most people use their surround sound system to mostly watch movies and TV. As such, the job of the surround and surround back speakers is to mostly create ambiance and maybe add the odd discrete sound effect. It is extremely rare that the surround speakers are used to match any sounds that are coming from the front sound-stage in movies or TV. For movie and TV soundtracks, the surround and surround back speakers are also meant to be placed up high - about 2-3 feet above seated ear height. Again, this is because their job is primarily ambiance.

With surround music, things are a little different. With music, it is often the case that the surround speakers do need to reproduce the same sounds as the front speakers - so in that case, the surround speakers are actually meant to be at ear level - just like the front speakers - and to have an identical voice and timbre to the front speakers as well. 5 identical speakers are actually the ideal for surround music reproduction. So I think that is where a lot of people get the idea that all the speakers need to match and be positioned in basically a circle all at ear height around the listener.

For movies and TV though, it is not nearly as vital for the surround speakers to match at all. And most music is still in stereo anyway. When you use something like Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music mode to expand your stereo music to full surround sound, it processing the music so that ambient cues and a sense of "space" are what come through the surround speakers. So, once again, not at all important for the surround speakers to match the front 3 ;)
 
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EdmMike

Audiophyte
Sounds great to me!! I really am glad to have joined on Audioholics. I feel you answered all my questions! So Thanks again FirstReflection. Now that this is all good, what is the deal with a rear centre channel speaker???? Does this replace a pair of rears???
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
EdmMike, I'm pretty sure I've already pointed out my disagreements to FR, but I'll do so once again for your benefit, if only so you can choose to be unfortunately confused. :p You can make your opinion on the matter eventually.

You're most welcome! :)

Most people use their surround sound system to mostly watch movies and TV. As such, the job of the surround and surround back speakers is to mostly create ambiance and maybe add the odd discrete sound effect. It is extremely rare that the surround speakers are used to match any sounds that are coming from the front sound-stage in movies or TV. For movie and TV soundtracks, the surround and surround back speakers are also meant to be placed up high - about 2-3 feet above seated ear height. Again, this is because their job is primarily ambiance.
The ideal is ear level. Having the speakers up high is a misunderstood and archaic idea, even if modern theaters still have speakers up high.

Think about surround effects. Watching a movie, when a hot lady is walking is heels in a resonant space, it sounds real. When a door closes on your right side, it sounds real. When a car crash goes, say, from front to back, it sounds real. Why does it sound real? Because they designed the freq response to make it so. All of the ambient cues are embedded right into the tracks themselves, and hence the "realism".

The main reason to put speakers up higher is simply to fire over blocking furniture or seat backs, and or multiple human heads.

If the speakers will be up higher, you will want to angle them to be on axis. For once the speakers are off axis (which would be exactly the case when mounting higher and not angling) you now receive inaccurate off-axis response, and therefore some of the work of the sound engineers are lost on you.

If it's best for music, then it's still best for HT, as far as freq response goes. Ideally, speakers would still be on the plane of the ears with multiple viewers when the angles do work out. (Because if they're high, even as angled, only that spot is close to being on axis). And lastly, being off axis horizontally to a vertically arrayed speaker is better than being off axis vertically to a vertically arrayed speaker. Of course, granted, worst is having both . . .

For movies and TV though, it is not nearly as vital for the surround speakers to match at all. And most music is still in stereo anyway. When you use something like Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music mode to expand your stereo music to full surround sound, it processing the music so that ambient cues and a sense of "space" are what come through the surround speakers. So, once again, not at all important for the surround speakers to match the front 3 ;)
I wouldn't say "not at all important". Just a lot less important. It's still best, and IMO, still easily discernible even with HT only. I have a stereo as well as dedicated HT, and the latter has gone through a myriad of variations in the last few years, whether just mismatched surrounds, or even mismatched center, and when finally the surrounds matched, it was actually a nice benefit. Extremely important? No. Enjoyable improvement? Yes.

In fact, I took a step backwards in matching. Even if from the same lineup, let alone brand, I mounted bipoles for greater coverage in the multi row theater. The rather large bookshelves that were there before matched better. I had identical bookshelves for rear speakers, and I went with the entry level, even if of the same brand, because I desired ceiling mount to fire over the raised second row. The difference is discernible.

My point is, if it's easy to match, why wouldn't you? If you can save considerably money by not matching, sure it's a relatively easy compromise to swallow.

However, I would never say "not at all important".
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Personally, I think it's best to have all your speakers "timbre match".

Klipsch speakers are very efficient, and needs little power to play quite loud.
Also they are quite forward sounding, with a more prominent and less accurate treble.

PSB speakers are somehow more refined, and more pleasing to the ears on extended listening. They generally like good amplification from quality components.

* Choose your poison carefully. :)
 

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