Sony ES 7100 vs. Yamaha2600 vs Pioneer Elite

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dave7002

Enthusiast
Ok, I've added another to my list for evaluation. Any experience with the Sony ES line, specifically the ES7100 Receiver? How would you compare "sound" of the Sony ES compared to Yamaha's and Pioneer Elites? Thanks for all input.
 
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gcmarshall

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i went thru the same analysis. here's is why i decided on the Yam 2500--

- could not find a sony 7100 anywhere in atlanta; did not want to mailorder one for that kind of money. sony did not appear to be as widely regarded for home theater as yamaha, denon or pioneer (just an observation from scouring message boards and web sites, not a factual statement; i am sure sony's perform admirably); could not find ANYTHING on sony's web site disucssing the ES line; called sony and they disavowed any knowledge of specs for the ES line. this all just seemed a little weird. had i been able to put my hands on a 7100 before committing, i would have given this more serious consideration as i historically like sony products.

- did not like the pioneers. won't go into detail since it was just a matter of taste, i guess. felt as if they were trying to be too flashy and i always avoid things that are trying to be too flashy on the outside for fear of what they are trying to make up for that might be missing on the inside, if you know what i mean.

- denon seems to have brand-panache, sort of like BMWs. as much as i like status symbols, i don't like to pay a premium to be able to say i own a denon or whatever brand. they seemed to offer a good product, but, as you'll read below, i was quickly pulled away from denon by what i perceived to be better value for similar performance in the yamaha's.

- as the yamaha 2600's were on the horizon, i found the 2500's being sold in the $700-800 range. since i have no need for HDMI, XM, etc., i decided i could save about $500 for essentially the same receiver (2500 v. 2600). i always get a generally knowledgeable human on the phone at Yam customer support; my gut feel and research was that Yam has a good reputation for home theater receivers and excellent build quality. with the lower price of the 2500's, and considering all the above, i jumped in with the 2500 and am very happy thus far.

with the money i saved, i bought a new pair of Boston Acoustic VR3 speakers which i love.
 
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dave7002

Enthusiast
Sony ES7100 vs. yamaha 2600

Very helpful response; I just finished reading a CNET detailed review, which while favorable, praised the Yamaha sound over the Sony. Now if I could get such quality help on the DLP vs. Plasma question.
 
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gcmarshall

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my (very) humble opinions --

DLP is a "me too" technology. probably won't be around as long as plasma, LCD; may go the way of betamax.

plasma - the best picture quality. possibly some outstanding unknowns since it's a newer technology

LCD - been around longer via computers. picture not quite as crisp as plasma, but it's a better known entity. picture quality in TV's improving and side-viewing not as much of a problem as it used to be.

make a purchase knowing that these are newer technologies and there may be more to learn down the road (ie, you may get an unpleasant surprise). if you accept this going in, then make your decision based on what's more important to you - price, picture quality, etc.
 
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dave7002

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DLP vs Plasma

So you would consider the typical plasma picture to be superior to the 1080p chips that are currently being released?
 
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gcmarshall

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by the way, i have been very UNimpressed with DLP picture quality as compared to plasma and LCD. i realize there is a cost savings with DLP, but you should weigh that versus what you get in return and the fact that these are still large items. also, i believe the LCD flat panels (as opposed to LCD rear projection) exhibit better qualities than their rear projection siblings.
 
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gcmarshall

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"So you would consider the typical plasma picture to be superior to the 1080p chips that are currently being released?"

that question is way too technical to me. i can only comment so far as what i have seen in friend's houses, stores, shopping around, and generally being a consumer advocate. i have exhausted my knowledge/opinion of flat panel TV's.
 
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jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
DLP technology

DLP is a mature technology that has become pervasive in rear projection TVs and front projectors. New 1080P DLP TVs are comming out and you will find all but the most expensive Plasmas and LCDs limited to 720P resoulution. If you do not have to have a flat screen hanging on the wall, then DLP is a reasonable, cost effective alternative.

If you have a light controlled room and want a really big screen (120") then you might consider a front projector. 720P models like the Panasonic AE900U can achieve Plasma picture quality on a huge screen for about $2,300.
 
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dave7002

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DLP Technology

And if I have a room that is general use, including daytime ambient light, would you lean toward DLP or Plasma technology?
 
edwelly

edwelly

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I have a Sony ES reciever. I am VERY happy with the performance of it. Very solid and has more power than I need. It has serperate bass management features for Front, CS, Rear & Rear Surrounds for the 7.1 channels. It is a HEAVY sucker too at over 45lbs...

As far as DLP, I demo'd a RPTV LCD vs. DLP and the DLP won hands down. I liked it so much I bought it. I had ti calibrated this past Staurday and It looks even better now.

This is just my opinion but the Sony ES line is good stuff, at least the older stuff is...
 
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dave7002

Enthusiast
DLP Input

Thanks; I'm focused on the HLR 5678 1080p at this point, or the Toshiba Cinema Series 1080p.....I need to do more research on the ES vs. Yamaha still.
 
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Reorx

Full Audioholic
DLP vs LCD (projectors). side by side shoot out. Both projectors at 2000 lumens. I can't remember the models. (Hitachi and Sanyo manufactures).
These are business projectors, not HT...most HT projectors are lower lumens since they expect you to watch movies in complete darkness. This helps keep the black, black. They also natively support 16:9, whereas in business it has to be scaled.

Single chip DLP is more crisp, and I believe can handle higher resolutions.
LCD has more viberant colors, and more accurate color reproduction.
3 chip DLP blows everything else out of the water. Digital movie theaters use them, and they cost at the very very minimum $9k...normally retail for $25k+

Color reproduction is more important to me then resolution.
As for DLP vs LCD vs Plasma TV's... /shrug....I dont have either yet.
http://www.projectorcentral.com

Reorx
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
edwelly said:
I have a Sony ES reciever. I am VERY happy with the performance of it. Very solid and has more power than I need. It has serperate bass management features for Front, CS, Rear & Rear Surrounds for the 7.1 channels. It is a HEAVY sucker too at over 45lbs...

As far as DLP, I demo'd a RPTV LCD vs. DLP and the DLP won hands down. I liked it so much I bought it. I had ti calibrated this past Staurday and It looks even better now.

This is just my opinion but the Sony ES line is good stuff, at least the older stuff is...
I agree, Sony ES receivers are as good as Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer IMO. The 3 years old DA4ES has tons of bass management features that even my Denon 3805 cannot match and sure it weighs 21 kg (must be good according the buckeyefan1 principle). It sound great too, especially when you pair it with a nice 2/3 channel amp.

An informative Sony site:
http://www.agoraquest.com/viewforum.php?forum=51
 
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