Some Starting Points? - 5.1 System $1500-$1800

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raydawn

Audiophyte
Hi there,

I'm looking to put together a 5.1 home theater speaker configuration and I've got about $1,500-$1800 to spend on the speakers. This will be primarily for Blu-ray viewing and music listening. The television and video equipment have already been bought.

A good value receiver with a lot of functionality would be great - definitely need 2 HDMI, component, and several composite, with room for expansion. The subwoofer does not have to be killer - just accurate and punchy, not necessarily super loud; In fact, I don't enjoy when the bass overwhelms the other sounds. We don't need to go overboard on the center channel either, it just needs to be accurate. Rear speakers should provide a nice enveloping surround sound for movies. If I had to choose a focus point though, it would probably be on the front left/right speakers for stereo music listening (CDs, FLACs, etc.). I listen to a lot of live music, but Metallica, Steely Dan, and Frank Sinatra should all sound good too. I am concerned with quality/accuracy/range over loudness and power.

This can be a complete all-in-one solution, or it can be pieced together separately. There really are no restrictions on size, but I'm thinking standing front loudspeakers and a modest subwoofer should suit my needs. Rear speakers would probably have to be on the smaller side since they will need to be placed on furniture or stands to meet up with couch-level seating. The listening area is a rectangular living room, approximately 20' x 15' x 8'. The television and front speakers would be on one long side and the couch/chairs on the opposite side. My wife rocks and is totally on board!

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks,
 
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maxx103

Audioholic Intern
???

do you mean 1500-1800 for speakers and receiver or just speakers im just wondering??:confused:
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Does that budget include the sub? If so we'll need the size of the entire space in cubic feet. That includes anything that's open to listening area.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
This would be a sick setup on your budget
You'd need 3 pairs to get to 5.1
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/321847-REG/Behringer_B2030P_B2030P_2_Way_Passive.html

Then you can get the kind of sub you want for rock music.
http://svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm
or
http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/empire.html if you need to skimp on the sub

Whatever sub you get put it on one of these to maximize performance.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SubDude/

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR5003/Marantz/Sr5003-Dolby-Truehd/Dts-hd-Master-Audio-Av-Receiver/1.html

Use the above for your receiver.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I'll toss out some ideas. As long as you don't need 3D support for your TV (HDMI 1.4) and you're in the US then I'd go with a refurbished Onky TX-SR707. It has plenty of power for most speakers, supports 4ohm loads, and has plenty of features.

All-In-One Solutions:
  • SVSound SBS-2 Deluxe package with a PB12-NSD subwoofer $1150.
  • Hsu Research Enthusiast-2 bundle $1300.

Roll-Your-Own:
  • OneCall has the long discontinued Boston Acoustics VR3 Towers and matched VRC center new in box for $810 shipped. Add a SVSounds PB12-NSD or PC12-NSD or Outlaw Audio LFM-1EX for $600 and you have one heck of a fine 3.1 system for $1400. Add a pair of Wharfedale WH-2 surrounds for $80 and you're under $1500 not counting the receiver. I ran the Bostons for years and they were great speakers. The Wharfedales are cheap but will do the job for now.
  • I haven't heard the EMP E5Ti towers but they have them in b-stock for $400/pr shipped (review). The matched E5Ci is $220 shipped. Add one of the subs from above and you're styling. You could eith use the Wharfedales surrounds or EMP bookshelves ($220/pr shipped)
  • Because of the bang for the buck value one of the fairly standard answers has been Infinity's Primus P362 Towers, PC350 center, and P152 bookshelves ($700-800/set) but the 362s have been discontinued and might be hard to find. Add subs from above and you're all set.
 
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raydawn

Audiophyte
What do you guys think about this setup? I forgot to budget for stands and cables.

Receiver: Yamaha HTR-6240BL - $230
Front: Axiom M22 v3 - $470
Sub: SVS PB10-NSD - $475
Center: Axiom VP100 v3 - $255
Rear: Behringer B2030P - $130

Total: $1,560 + cables, stands

I apologize but I'm not allowed to post links until I have a post count of 5 =(
 
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raydawn

Audiophyte
Or the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus, or the Elemental Designs A2-300 are an option in that price range too.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
What do you guys think about this setup? I forgot to budget for stands and cables.

Receiver: Yamaha HTR-6240BL - $230
Front: Axiom M22 v3 - $470
Sub: SVS PB10-NSD - $475
Center: Axiom VP100 v3 - $255
Rear: Behringer B2030P - $130

Total: $1,560 + cables, stands

I apologize but I'm not allowed to post links until I have a post count of 5 =(
That would work great in a small to medium sized room but I would bump up to PB12-NSD or PC12-NSD and wait on the surrounds if money is tight. Alternately you could go with an Outlaw LFM-1 EX while it's on sale ($552 w/free shipping). I just like a bit of overkill with subs.

BTW where are you located?
 
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raydawn

Audiophyte
Thanks, I'll check it out. I might be able to scrounge up additional funds. The SVS subs look like they won't be available until late September anyway, unless I can get them from another vendor. The Outlaw looks great on paper, I've just never heard of them! Is the frequency response graph flat? Falloff is ultra-fast?

I'm living in the DC/Baltimore area.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Thanks, I'll check it out. I might be able to scrounge up additional funds. The SVS subs look like they won't be available until late September anyway, unless I can get them from another vendor. The Outlaw looks great on paper, I've just never heard of them! Is the frequency response graph flat? Falloff is ultra-fast?

I'm living in the DC/Baltimore area.
The Epik stuff would work fine too.
 
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raydawn

Audiophyte
The Epik looks unbelievably awesome, but for my price range I'd have to sacrifice on the front speakers and I'm not sure how much I want to sacrifice there. Also, the subwoofer is going right behind my chair, and as much as I like strong punchy bass, I don't know if I'm looking for room-shaking necessarily... Does that makes sense or am I making a mistake?
 
SopRage

SopRage

Audioholic
Speakers:

Front: Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SEs
Center: Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE
Surrounds: Ascend Acoustics HTM-200 SEs

Total price: $778 including shipping

$75 bucks or so cheaper than mixing Axiom and Behringer, plus tonally matched. Equal or greater quality (unless the new .v3s are markedly superior to the .v2s).

Just a thought.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Speakers:

Front: Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SEs
Center: Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE
Surrounds: Ascend Acoustics HTM-200 SEs

Total price: $778 including shipping

$75 bucks or so cheaper than mixing Axiom and Behringer, plus tonally matched. Equal or greater quality (unless the new .v3s are markedly superior to the .v2s).

Just a thought.
yeah but similar sound quality characteristics. They are better looking speakers though. Matching surrounds to fronts is totally unnecessary because they hit the ear at different angles according to Dr. Floyd Toole from Harman.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
General reccomendations:

Speaker Wire/Interconnects - Try to get a 100ft spool of 12 or 14awg wire instead of taking it for granted.. banana plugs make connections a lot easier on that note. Otherwise I mostly just reccomend something that gets decent reviews. Give Monoprice.com a shot if you're in USA.

Subwoofer - If going with a large ported design, contact the manufacturer to see what the tuning frequency is. A low tuned ported woofer will murk sealed subs for the same purposes (HT). I'm sure you've already looked at the SVS and HSUs of the world, but on that note I reccomend taking a quick look at elemental designs' DIY kits. the 180 dollar kit with a Dayton SA240 plate amp from partsexpress should run you around 300 dollars or so total, as long as you're okay with not veneering it to make it look "pretty", you'll probably have a subwoofer that royally impresses many people

Receiver - Marantz SR5003 refurb from Accessories4less. 90w of power, enough modern features, and as a guy who has an SR6003 myself, it just sound great for a receiver.

You might also want to look into the NR1505 but keep in mind that although it`s a 7.1 receiver, and 50 watts ain`t really all that bad, it lacks pre-outs so you can`t upgrade to a dedicated amp in the future. The 5003 could eventually be used as a preprocessor so you can get more power to your speakers with a better amp.

Room Treatments - Obviously I don't think you want to treat every inch of that room, but do look into adding some bass traps in the corners.

Speakers - the main part, right? Here's a few suggestions

Go to EMP's website, track down their clearance section, and see what you think of

1x EMP e5ti (PAIR)
1x EMP e5ci
1x EMP e5bi (PAIR)
1x EMP wall mount bracket or stand (Pair)

or go to Axiom's factory outlet and look for

2x Axiom M22 v3 (single)
1x Axiom VP 150 v3
2x Axiom M2 (single)
+ Stands or mount-brakets

OR go to Aperion and check out their Intimus 4Ts...


Another suggestion I have is some Klipsches from a brick and mortar shop. I was down at london drugs the other day and they had them on clearance. The thing about klipsches is that they'll go pretty loud without putting too much power into them.

One final reccomendation is to track down some totem rainmakers. I don't know if they sell them down in america but I was at a HT shop the other day and these things really blew me away with their.. i don't know what! They were just really great speakers, plain and simple, and their price was reasonable IIRC although i wasn`t really paying attention because it was a day after I`d filled out an order for an e55ti set and the salesman was kind of annoying me with his pushy-ness..

The Epik looks unbelievably awesome, but for my price range I'd have to sacrifice on the front speakers and I'm not sure how much I want to sacrifice there. Also, the subwoofer is going right behind my chair, and as much as I like strong punchy bass, I don't know if I'm looking for room-shaking necessarily... Does that makes sense or am I making a mistake?
well, if we`re talkin about a movie-centric HT, I think the sub is the part that you`re `notice` even moreso than surrounds or L/R fronts. The sub and your center are just really important pieces that you shouldn't overlook. On that note you might also want to look into some Emotiva speakers.

Also, do consider that you have to play around with sub placement anyways in order to get a clean response... my overall point is that your sub could make-or-break your entire home theatre... ask yourself this

"What is the point of any speaker system"

and you should probably answer

"To reproduce what the source creator originally produced".

In the case of action flicks or even epics fantasies like Lord of the Rings, that low freqeuncy effects channel isn't just a one-note boom or a subtle drum in the background.. it's truly its own channel. You wouldn't want, say, your rear surrounds to be extra-quiet and have a sharp decline at, say, 250hz, with the caveat that your front mains are ever-so-slightly-better.

Just like you want rear surrounds to be fairly flat down to 80hz or so, you should want a sub that's flat at least down to around 20hz (actually, ideally tuned somewhere around 15 but you won't get that in your price range) and reproduces the sounds well, as they were created. And likewise, just like you want surrounds you can hear, you should want a subwoofer that's going to be heard if it's meant to be heard!
 
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