Some people are beyond help!

[TLS Guy]

Just take a look at this thread. This is where profit quickly goes down the drain!

 

[its phillip]

Yeah, I just read through that thread, and I agree.

 

[1fastsuv]

I can't believe someone that spends that much money on equipment doesn't know about positive and negative wiring????? I'm still shaking my head. I dont think i've ever seen speaker wiring that doesn't have some type of indicator on one wire. I've seen red line down one, white lettering, and striping.

TLS, thanks for all the info tho. It was definitely interesting reading. At least until the "DUH" at the end.

 

[rnatalli]

Stuff like this happens. I once spent half an hour troubleshooting a printer only to find it wasn't plugged in

 

[cpp]

I once spent half an hour troubleshooting a printer only to find it wasn't plugged in

sometimes it's best never to say anything, but it takes a man to MAN UP.

 

[finfan1966]

Yeah, I just read through that thread, and I agree.

Maybe you should read my last thread before you open your mouth!

 

[finfan1966]

Just take a look at this thread. This is where profit quickly goes down the drain!

If you want to listen to someone who thinks they know everything and have them waste your time - listen to the guy that started this thread!

If you don't believe me read the last post on the thread he stated above!

 

[its phillip]

I did read it. You still don't get it.

 

[finfan1966]

I did read it. You still don't get it.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Cruise Missile]

I can only speak for myself on this....

I joined here four years ago with a slight working knowledge about AV.

In that time I have learned exponentially more from the members here. The members here represent AV installers, sound engineers, IT folks, carpenters, speaker builders, hobbyists, and people just getting started.

The one thing we all have in common is a love of all things AV. Heck the level of expertise available here for FREE should be enough to make someone think twice before running on at the mouth about the members. They give their time and help here for FREE, some of them are PAID to do so everyday at their jobs.

All of this said, I feel a reboot of your online personality is in order. If you don't agree I personally would like to invite you to leave.

*Disclaimer: I'm not a moderator or associated with Audioholics other than being a member that appreciates the knowledge that's shared and freindships that thrive here.

 

[finfan1966]

I can only speak for myself on this....

I joined here four years ago with a slight working knowledge about AV.

In that time I have learned exponentially more from the members here. The members here represent AV installers, sound engineers, IT folks, carpenters, speaker builders, hobbyists, and people just getting started.

The one thing we all have in common is a love of all things AV. Heck the level of expertise available here for FREE should be enough to make someone think twice before running on at the mouth about the members. They give their time and help here for FREE, some of them are PAID to do so everyday at their jobs.

All of this said, I feel a reboot of your online personality is in order. If you don't agree I personally would like to invite you to leave.

If I didn't take someones advice seriously I wouldn't of went all the way to Staples and picked up the receiver again before it was shipped. I was fine with taking direction and listening to possible solutions of what the problem could be. Believe me there was nothing more that I wanted then to come home and have the receiver work and then I could keep it. But after double checking and triple checking all the speaker connections it was clear that I was not the problem.
However when I have to listen to someone criticize me because they think they know what the problem is that's when I lose all respect for that person as an individual and audio expert! I am not going to rip open my speaker because of a bad Audyssey mic!

So basically you are telling me that the suggestions on my topic are right and the Onkyo technical support guy is wrong?

Like I said - "whatever helps you sleep at night"

 

[its phillip]

Why are you sending back an entire receiver if you think it's just the mic? And if your speakers do have internal wiring issues, YOU WILL HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH ANY RECEIVER RUNNING MULTIEQ XT32

 

[finfan1966]

Why are you sending back an entire receiver if you think it's just the mic? And if your speakers do have internal wiring issues, YOU WILL HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH ANY RECEIVER RUNNING MULTIEQ XT32

I could careless about MutiEQ, my Onkyo 806 has no problem with my current speakers. I am not positive that its the mic. I am just going by what the Onkyo technical support man told me. It could be a problem with the receiver - who knows. But I am not going to to do internal surgery on my speakers just because someone one this post said so.

If I buy another receiver with MultiEQ and have the same problem then I will admit I was wrong. However right now I don't think I am!

 

[Cruise Missile]

If you had no intent of taking the advice once given, then why'd you come here and ask for it?

......And if ever there was someone to listen to about speakers it TLS Guy. His screen name even refers to a type of speaker, he's a bit nutso about getting things right. Read some of his threads, then consider if he's blowing smoke up your fanny or not.

As far as your issue with the receiver, I don't have any opinions or knowledge to contribute that hasn't already been said.

 

[finfan1966]

If you had no intent of taking the advice once given, then why'd you come here and ask for it?

......And if ever there was someone to listen to about speakers it TLS Guy. His screen name even refers to a type of speaker, he's a bit nutso about getting things right. Read some of his threads, then consider if he's blowing smoke up your fanny or not.

As far as your issue with the receiver, I don't have any opinions or knowledge to contribute that hasn't already been said.

Sometimes the best advice is left unsaid! I was curious about possible solutions on what the problem could be, so that's why I asked the some questions. When I heard some of the suggestions I tried them. However as far as needing to buy all new speakers - I don't think so!

If you are just going to quote other people's options and use them for your replies then don't waste my time. Even experts get some things wrong. I think some of the people on this site go a little over the top when trying to solve problems!

 

[Cruise Missile]

And some people don't put enough effort into solving them.

The effort I've been trying to make is to help you see the truth about what was going on.

TLS doesn't like polks, I have polks big deal. However he didn't just tell you to buy new speakers without suggesting a trouble shooting session that any monkey with a screwdriver could accomplish with some guidance. The only cost to you would've been time, heck you may have even enjoyed learning something along the way.

Anyhow, time to let this thread die.

Have a nice evening.

 

[finfan1966]

And some people don't put enough effort into solving them.

The effort I've been trying to make is to help you see the truth about what was going on.

TLS doesn't like polks, I have polks big deal. However he didn't just tell you to buy new speakers without suggesting a trouble shooting session that any monkey with a screwdriver could accomplish with some guidance. The only cost to you would've been time, heck you may have even enjoyed learning something along the way.

Anyhow, time to let this thread die.

Have a nice evening.

I just want to say one thing and that's how do you know he is right? Onkyo technical support told me what the possible problem could be - a faulty Audessy mic. You mentioned about not seeing the truth? What truth is that?

Maybe I don't want to work on my speakers because I don't think that's the problem - period! If I can get another receiver and the Multiex Audessy doesn't work then I will be sure to let you know.

However I doubt I will get an apology from all the know it alls if it was a faulty Audessy mic in the first place!

Have a nice evening also. Not really looking for a confrontation but I didn't need a ton of people jumping on my back because of one guys opinion!

 

[Cruise Missile]

I don't know for sure, and now you don't either.

Audyssey multeq xt32 is super sophisticated and more than capable of detecting the exact sort of possible problems that were being pointed out. The prior versions of audyssey don't have near the resolution of xt32 and may well have not seen the same issue. The problem may well still be there even with the older receiver, however the older audyssey software may not see it.

TLS was trying to trouble shoot and possibly improve your speakers. I've seen him help people improve cross over design problems before. Even if there's not a phase issue, Polk speakers use poorly designed and implemented cross overs. Remember my setup has Polk speakers, I'm not hating here.

When audyssey mics are bad they either don't work at all, as in no mic detected, or they boost high freq through the roof. There was a problem with the included mics with some Onkyo receivers due to a misprinted model number. That problem was nothing like what
yours was.

The truth I was pointing out is that nobody here gains anything by helping people with their home theaters. No one here is going to tell you to do something dangerous, foolish, or just to waste your time. ( they have been known to live vicariously through others wallets though, encouraging new gear purchases )

The only person that had anything to gain from listening to the advice given was you.

I remember TLS guy saying well there's your problem, you have a pig in a Polk. Stuck with me for some reason. Didn't take away from my enjoyment of my gear at all, instead it started my quest for better speakers with a firmer grip on what better actually is.

 

[1fastsuv]

Stuff like this happens. I once spent half an hour troubleshooting a printer only to find it wasn't plugged in

I spent at least an hour putting monster toolless connectors on, then taking them back off because i thought they didn't work. Only to find out they screw on counterclockwise. I only cost myself time and money tho.
Am I wrong or didn't you admit that you had the negative line going into the positive on the receiver? I guess in the end TLS was right and was giving you sound advice.

I'm not trying to cause problems but he wouldve saved you (and him) a lot of time if you did what he suggested in the first place.

 

[PENG]

Maybe I don't want to work on my speakers because I don't think that's the problem - period! If I can get another receiver and the Multiex Audessy doesn't work then I will be sure to let you know.

If you had said that in the first place I doubt anyone would have issue, but instead, you kept saying there was nothing wrong with your speakers citing the reason that they worked with the 807's Audyssey, and despite the fact that it was previously explained to you the newest and most powerful version in the 3008 has the capability to detect phasing and other issues more effectively.

I think the problem is, it took you until post 22 (in your thread) to start paying attention to how the speaker wires were hooked up at both ends. If you hooked them up without paying attention you would have a 50% chance of hooking up two speakers out of phase. So if you have two pairs to hook up your chance of a mistake would be 100% in theory. Okay, we understand you did take the time and effort to bring the 3008 back and this time you made sure they were wired correctly (phasing) but you still cannot be sure that the drivers inside those Polks are not connected out of phase intentionally or unintentionally. I think by now you do understand what people are saying about the potential (not certain, but a possibility) issue within those Polks, but I also hope even if the unit you returned was in fact found to be defective, you still appreciate those (including the OP) who took the time to try walking you through the troubleshooting steps. The OP only appeared to have hardened his tone (he said he would be blunt) after reading post #22 in your thread.