Sixties equipment found - help me!

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hi,

I feel terrible for damaging the speaker now!

I am quite far from Kent! It's probably an eight hour drive sadly! I am in newcastle upon Tyne!

Not quite sure where to go from here? Do I visit an auction house? eBay? Should I keep it for years more, my financial situation is fine but the house needs decorated so I don't have a safe haven just now!
That is a terrible drive. Right up to the Scottish border. A very stressful road trip for the UK, all the way up the M1 and then swing by York.

However the train journey from King Cross/St Pancras is only 3 hours. I would have to spend the night up their but doable.

Further the new Ebsfleet station is just 8 miles from Frindsbury. The Gillingham link is in site at Wainscot, and then short jog to the A2 and then to Ebsfleet at the Dartford crossing. There is a new very fast and frequent Javelin service between Ebsfleet and Kings Cross that takes only 17 minutes. So that is certainly a feasible trip by train. If you want I will make the journey.

As far as selling your gear, it would be better if I saw it. I do have some contacts particularly a guy who auctions at Tonbridge. I also know a good restorer. If there is not prohibitive restoration to do I can make a good referral.

Gear that can be certified as in good working condition usually fetches two or three times the price of an unknown quantity. So it usually pays with gear of this quality to get your ducks in a row.

If gear can be certified, eBay can actually be a good bet, but you have to be careful not to get stiffed by Far Eastern and Eastern European buyers , if you open it up to world wide sale.

I notice that Japanese, Chinese out of Hong Kong, Taiwanese and Koreans are frequently prepared to pay hefty prices for your type of gear in good working order. I hate to see it leave British Shores, but if you sell it at auction, the buyer may very well trade it internationally.

I have noticed there are lot of well healed people in the Far East who will pay enormous amounts for British gear from the "Golden age." As a rule they know the good stuff. However I saw a gentleman from the Far East pay $2300 for one WB Stentorian dual concentric driver. That driver never was any good, so sometimes a seller gets lucky.

If you are going to sell the 401 and the Ferrograph internationally we will have to find 60 Hz drive for the 401 and a 60 Hz capstan for the Ferrograph. I have both 50 and 60 Hz capstans fro my Brenell, which increases its value further.

The Ferrograph should definitely be prepped fro sale, and will need a new idler pulley and pinch roller at least. It will also need azimuth, Eq and bias adjustments at the minimum.
 
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Cristofori

Cristofori

Audioholic
One thing to explain the mans interest/wealth - he had served in the British Secret Service - I have found his briefcase in the attic...
This is all very fascinating, like something out of a novel or something!

I can understand you wanting to sell the gear as is, because it may take a lot of work to get some of it up and running (Probably hasn't been used in years, missing parts, etc.). But if you find the right people to help, you may not want to get rid of it after all!

I'd at least keep that turntable, which is still highly usable today. I'd avoid most vintage speakers unless they are really high quality and you can get them restored (and they will almost certainly need restoring).

Hopefully, TLSGuy can make it up there to help!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I have been thinking about your problem.

I know a John Howse, who has a sales site and has been running the heavily attended Audio Jumble at Tonbridge for many years. John also happens to probably design and build, the finest horns for the Lowther full range drivers.

His next Jumble is October 10. He runs two per year. I would contact John Howse and get his advice. I'm thinking that would be the best place to sell your 401 and SME, the Reslo Ribbon and the Stax phones, plus the odds and ends.

The 401 and the SME combo, with no history and testing usually seems to fetch around 800 GBP in the UK. You might get 100 pounds more if the arm is the 12" version.

I can find no history of sales of the Reslo Ribbon. I can't find listings for your Stax phones either.

The JW Geminis if they are not factory, and I don't believe they are, you will be better off selling the modules offered as pairs. In the last three years these modules have disappeared from view, but they used to go for 75 to100 GBP each. You likely will be better off selling these on eBay. If anything they are known even better out of the UK. 75% of the production was exported. They were never sold in the US, but were in Canada and I was the Canadian agent for a period of time.

They may be vintage but sound excellent. I think the JW module is the best full range driver ever produced. I keep a pair in TL cabinets I built years and years ago. I bring them out whenever I'm evaluating a new speaker design. If it sounds too far off from a pair of modules then the crossover needs more work. They have a very gentle airy sound with a good depth of field. They actually last a long time. I put a pair in some bookshelf labyrinths I built. I built them just over forty years ago for my sister. She is still using them and loves them.

One thing you must remember is to protect the cones well after removal. They are not brass but spun anodized aluminum. The cones are very thin and only weigh 6 GM. The cones form a geometric tractrix. They are a bend driver by design and the radiating cone area decreases linearly with frequency, with no sudden break up mode. This is how they are able to be good full rangers. They are consequently easily ruined by mishandling as you have already found out.

The leaves the Ferrograph 634T.

I have written to a friend, Geoff Kremer who owns and runs Service Sound, at Bexhill on Sea. That is on the English Channel coast. Geoff is a first class technician and especially fond of working on the Ferrograph recorders. I can vouch for him a 100%. I have spent pleasant time with him on the Channel Coast.

He has just finished restoring a series 6 and has it marked for sale.

I have asked him if he would be prepare your machine for sale. If you don't have an expert prepare that machine for sale, it will be lucky to fetch 100 GBP.

Unfortunately offloading that gear is going to require some trips to the SE of England.

Outside the hub bub of the South east you will make no progress with your sale.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
This is all very fascinating, like something out of a novel or something!

I can understand you wanting to sell the gear as is, because it may take a lot of work to get some of it up and running (Probably hasn't been used in years, missing parts, etc.). But if you find the right people to help, you may not want to get rid of it after all!

I'd at least keep that turntable, which is still highly usable today. I'd avoid most vintage speakers unless they are really high quality and you can get them restored (and they will almost certainly need restoring).

Hopefully, TLSGuy can make it up there to help!
Yes, indeed! Looks like Darryl stumbled across a mini gold mine of vintage equipment. And then, to make contact with the Doc is all very happily serendipitous.
 
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Darryl

Audiophyte
Indeed, I do class myself as very fortunate!

TLS like I said you are more than welcome to visit, but I would worry about the length of the trip, so I will understand if its not possible.

So in a nutshell what should I do now?

Are any of the items something I can just put on ebay right now, perhaps those Pioneer units, as they seem bulky and not quite part of the more specialist interest?

I will need to move these items soon, but I will pack and remove them as neatly as possible. Ready for someone to view or whatever we feel is best.

So yes, I do still plan to sell them, and I hope that doesnt make me some terrible capitalist, but like I say, I dont even own a sofa just now, the money for these would be better spent on lifes basics and not the luxuries at the moment!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Indeed, I do class myself as very fortunate!

TLS like I said you are more than welcome to visit, but I would worry about the length of the trip, so I will understand if its not possible.

So in a nutshell what should I do now?

Are any of the items something I can just put on ebay right now, perhaps those Pioneer units, as they seem bulky and not quite part of the more specialist interest?

I will need to move these items soon, but I will pack and remove them as neatly as possible. Ready for someone to view or whatever we feel is best.

So yes, I do still plan to sell them, and I hope that doesnt make me some terrible capitalist, but like I say, I dont even own a sofa just now, the money for these would be better spent on lifes basics and not the luxuries at the moment!
I heard back from Geoff Kremer this afternoon.

I sent him a link to your photographs.

He recommends selling everything except the Ferrograph on eBay.

He says the Reslo Ribbon microphone should fetch a lot, but I will have to get out of him what a lot is.

Is that Garrard and SME built in, or on a self contained plinth?

If the units are not on a plinth I would sell the Garrard 401 and SME separately.

Are your sure the Garrard is in working order. If you are, I would sell in on eBay only to countries that are 50 Hz. You can change the voltage. Then there will not be a hassle about drive pulleys.

I would put it up for sale with a starting or reserve bid of 550 GBP and a Buy it Now of 1050 GBP. Sell it with the manual, 45 rpm adapter and oil.

Measure the SME from pivot to the end of the head shell. To me it looks as if it is a 12" arm, but you need to be sure so you can describe it. If it is a 12" arm I would put it at a reserve or starting bid of 150 GBP with a buy it now of 290 GBP.

You still have not told me what cartridge is in that arm. I need to know so you can price it and we can decide if it needs to be sold with the SME or separately. The cartridge looks as if it might be a Decca, but I can be by no means sure. If it is, you have another huge windfall. Take of the head shell from the arm, by unscrewing the lock collar. Cartridges are fragile. Turn it upside down so you can get a photograph and also look for identification. SME do not now, and never have made cartridges, so we must know what is in it.

The Stax I have no idea what to ask, check eBay completed sales. Stax are still in business making electrostatic headphones, making yours less valuable.

I would think though they should make at least 150 GBP may be more. I would start at 100 GBP and no Buy it Now.

The receiver I would start at 50 GBP with a Buy it Now of 125 GBP.

The cassette unit if it is working I would start at 100 GBP with a buy it now of 175 GBP.

You may have a problem in that you do not know if units are working. If you don't know you have to list them as non working or for parts, and they will fetch little. So it really is vital you know the working status of your gear.

I would sell the JW modules and trash the cabinets. Treat them like glass and place thick cardboard over the cone side of the modules immediately and place them cone side down. You will have to pack these very carefully. I would sell the two speakers in each enclosure as a pair. If I remember correctly they should be 8 ohms each. There will be a Boosey and Hawkes sticker on the back. There will be at the bottom numbers 4, 8 and 16 ohms. The ones that do not apply will be scratched over, and the one that applies to that module circled.

You will have one odd driver to sell. The one you ruined will have to be trashed.

I would start each pair at 90 GBP with a buy it now of around 200 GBP. Half those numbers for the single.

The odds and ends I would offer for sale separately with no reserve.

Now the Ferrograph: - Geoff Kremer is very interested in negotiating with you to buy it.

It looks to be a nice example. He has told me that machine is four track record and playback. So it is the type that you turn the tape over. So it plays the common commercial tapes of the era. That makes it much more sought after by collectors.

However that machine has an interesting wrinkle. It can play two track tapes also! There is a lever on the back of the playback head, that shifts it in position, so the both heads can come to lie at least half way across the width of the track. So not a perfect solution, but one I have not encountered before.

He had to remind me that the pinch roller on the Wearite decks is brass and not rubber which I had forgotten, so we don't have to worry about the pinch roller.

Now you have to understand that all tape recorders need the loving restorers hand before they can be used, so you can not expect a fortune. I know Geoff will treat you fairly.

I would plead with you to work with Geoff so he can obtain it, and this rare and unusual machine can be saved and well restored for certain.

If you PM me I will give you his contact details.

This machine is far too historic be entrusted to a parcel service, so he or I will have to drive up to Newcastle Upon Tyne to collect it.

If you can wait until I come, I can do a better appraisal of the status of what you have.

I will try and get a better handle on the Reslo Ribbon. I think they were the best PA and announcer mike ever made. Speech was absolutely natural without chesty voice. They have a figure of 8 pattern like all ribbons, so they pick up sound off the back. Despite this they were less prone to feedback than other types.

You had to leave them several feet away, and never scream into them, or get them close to the mouth. They sound far better than modern radio announcer mikes. However they would not do for present day moronic radio personnel. That mike is a real reminder of a gentler more civilized age. And that alone makes it worth a lot.

Any questions post or PM me.

This has been a very important post on this forum, and quite likely the most significant we have ever had.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Geoff tells me the Reslo Ribbon should fetch 200 GBP. So I would put it up for for starters at 125 GBP with a buy it now of 200 GBP.

He also tells me he has found you another possible buyer for the Ferrograph. Please get in touch with me and him about this ASAP.

On another matter when shipping the Garrard the turntable platter needs removal and packing separately. Instructions for removing it are in the manual. It takes two people. By now the turntable is almost certainly well bound to the spindle spline.

One individual needs to hold the turntable by the platter over a cushion. You need to place a stout block of wood over the spindle and rap the wood with a hammer. Eventually the turntable will fall to the cushion or padded foam mat, what ever you use. There must be a soft surface underneath.

When packing make a soft cradle around the motor drive unit. These units are not easy to pack so they travel without damage.

The SME is also fragile and the weights and head shell will need removal before shipping, again this is in the manual.
 
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Darryl

Audiophyte
Again I just want to express my utmost gratitude for the help from everyone and in particular - TLS, its very very welcome and appreciated.

I'll PM you my email address and I would imagine next week I will be able to pack and package everything up safely.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Again I just want to express my utmost gratitude for the help from everyone and in particular - TLS, its very very welcome and appreciated.

I'll PM you my email address and I would imagine next week I will be able to pack and package everything up safely.
As soon as I get your PM I will respond and notify Geoff.

Please do us a favor and post the final sales figures on these forums. I expect it to be a considerable sum of money, and will likely be more than many members have invested in their entire systems.
 
its phillip

its phillip

Audioholic Ninja
I'd just like to say it's really cool that you found all that stuff and extremely nice and awesome of TLS Guy to be such a helpful person.

Good luck with the sales and all that too.
 

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