simulated surround sound from a stereo source-

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skidood

Audiophyte
Hi everyone

I need some advice. I'm an audiophile with some hi-end gear, but till now I have only listened to music on a 2-channel stereo system.
I know that some (or all?) surround sound receivers can process the audio from the 2 channels and thereby simulate surround sound.

My question is... if I bought a good 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound receiver, and had good speakers all round, properly placed, how good does it actually sound?

Does the signal processor create some distortion or muck up the sound quality?
Does the music really surround you, or is it hit and miss?

Does the quality of the surround effect depend much on the brand, or the price?

Thanks very much in advance for your advice and input.

Andy
 
The Chukker

The Chukker

Full Audioholic
This thread is going to invite all manner of opinions, so I will chime in only with my 2 cents. If your primary goal is to enjoy music you may well not improve upon your current rig appreciably with surround sound. In fact, when listening to 2 channel music (i.e. CD's) I only listen in two channel direct without any surround processing. After all, why color the original work with artifice? If your goal is to replicate the inside of a jazz hall or a large arena then you may benefit from some DSP modes available on most receivers out there, new or used. If this is the case, your minimum investment will be small.
If you want to enjoy multichannel music in its native format (i.e. concert audio/video) recorded on SACD, DVD-A, or even DVD music like Pink Floyd or Eric Clapton in concert (etcetera ad infinitum) then you will need more speakers, a decent receiver, a dedicated subwoofer (optional), cabling, space, stands, and an understanding wife.
This is known as Pandora's Box around these parts; be careful if you walk this path -- there is no knowing where it may lead you or your credit rating.
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The Chukker

The Chukker

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My question is... if I bought a good 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound receiver, and had good speakers all round, properly placed, how good does it actually sound?
Andy, I apologize; my answer it seems was incomplete. The rear channels in dedicated 5.1 recordings are generally used for crowd effects; they certainly add to the feeling of being there but certainly not enough to warrant the expense of adding those channels IMO. In my personal experience Pink Floyd's DVD concert do use the surround channels for more than just ambiance, but that is the exception and not the rule. I have yet to run into a BD or HD-DVD that is 7.1 native, most concert/music videos are SD in 5.1 DD or dts. I would say the only advantage to having a 3.1 or 5.1 set up when listening to concert videos is the immense soundstage and definition by and large created by having the additional center channel.
Then again, this is all very subjective...:D
 
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joe68

Audioholic Intern
I just wanted to say watching movies is great with 5.1 sound thats one reason I upgraded from 2 channel, the other was to go to 5 channel stereo + sub which I enjoy. But lately I feel that If had the space ( and my way ) I would Invest in a solid pair of floor speakers + sub along with a heavy hitting receiver and enjoy some good tunes I would however set it for 7.1 or more if poss. Like its been said before once you down this path its hard to stop that A/V train. OH my newest addition is a Yamaha YSP3000 sound bar, my wife doesn't like speakers very much and this fit the bill with my 42" LCD upstairs but I still have my other gear downstairs and I'm always trying to upgrade it.
 
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joe68

Audioholic Intern
To actually answer the question I would say for me a 2.1 set up sounds the best to my ears, and as far as quality I find it hard not to spend a good buck on equiptment ( within a budget ) you get what you pay for most of the time. I've also noticed on some of the higher end receivers, the processers get better so I could only assume that means something, but I'm certainly no expert I just know what I like I think... anyway go have a listen at a good shop.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi everyone

I need some advice. I'm an audiophile with some hi-end gear, but till now I have only listened to music on a 2-channel stereo system.
I know that some (or all?) surround sound receivers can process the audio from the 2 channels and thereby simulate surround sound.

My question is... if I bought a good 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound receiver, and had good speakers all round, properly placed, how good does it actually sound?

Does the signal processor create some distortion or muck up the sound quality?
Does the music really surround you, or is it hit and miss?

Does the quality of the surround effect depend much on the brand, or the price?

Thanks very much in advance for your advice and input.

Andy
It gives spacial feel to the 2 ch music, like a real auditorium.
Maybe you should try it at a friends house? Cd with just 2 ch speaker then DDprologic IIx? I think you may like it more:D
 
The Chukker

The Chukker

Full Audioholic
It gives spacial feel to the 2 ch music, like a real auditorium.
Maybe you should try it at a friends house? Cd with just 2 ch speaker then DDprologic IIx? I think you may like it more:D
Am I just weird Mtry (wait, don't answer that:eek:)? To me 2 ch PLii(x) sounds muddy or "imprecise" to me. Is this purely subjective?

Edit: I think I answered my own question, yup it's subjective... ;)
 
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the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
My question is... if I bought a good 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound receiver, and had good speakers all round, properly placed, how good does it actually sound?
I think for movies it’s a must however, not so much for music. As mentioned above most discrete 5.1 audio are concert recordings and most of what you hear behind you is crowd noise. Sometimes you can hear the music reflected back but so far I’ve been unimpressed with 5.1 concert recordings.

On the other hand some simulated surround modes do make some 2.0 audio recordings sound interesting. Usually most of the vocals still come from the front while the music surrounds you. I think the surround modes tend to impress non-audiophiles more since they haven’t spent so much time training and adapting their ears to a certain style of listening.

Generally for me really good audio recording still sound best in 2.0 and sometimes in 2.1. I think they loose more than they gain from going multi channel. On the other hand less impressive recordings usually do sound better in some sort of surround mode.

Does the signal processor create some distortion or muck up the sound quality?
Not sure if distortion would be the right word but some of the vocals usually bleed through to the surround speakers when using simulated surround modes. For me it’s not to noticeable unless your right up near them.

More significant is the center channel speaker if it‘s not the exact same as your left and right mains. If ,as in my case it’s a smaller dedicated enclosed center channel speaker, why would I want to send part of the front channels to it rather than sending all the front channels to the main tower speakers. There are reasons for doing it especially for movies if your audience are dispersed around the listening area and you want to keep the action and dialogue anchored to the screen. But for audio I feel it universally makes the front soundstage sound worse unless all three front speakers are the same model. I use a phantom center channel, playing it’s track through the main speakers. I can get away with this even for movies since I’m always in the sweet spot.

Does the music really surround you, or is it hit and miss?
In most simulated modes it does. How it sounds depends on the effect you have chosen like “5 channel stereo“, “concert hall,” “jazz club,” or what ever else the receiver has available. If your not a purist the effects can sound nice.

Again where the simulated surround shines the most in my opinion is with 2.0 movies and TV. The improvement the effects give just seem more significant with video as a opposed to audio sources.

Does the quality of the surround effect depend much on the brand, or the price?
Everything I tried was all in the same price range so I can’t say. But I imagine spending more money on a receiver wouldn’t make as much difference as spending the money on the speakers. On exception might be if you like to play things loud and are trying to drive all the speakers with AV receiver without enough power.

Best I can suggest is try to find some way to listen to someone’s 5.1 or 7.1 system. It might help give you an idea if you’ll like it. For me 5.1 isn’t worth it just for music. As part of a home theater, gaming, TV system the audio is a nice added bonus.

Just my opinion,
Dean
 
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