Setting Up Velodyne FSR-15 and HK-3480

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havinnoj

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Guys,
How should I set up this system? Room size is about 20x18. Sub is in a good corner position. I can either run a sub input from the amp or (currently) run speaker line level input/outputs. The satellites are Rock Solid's 150w speakers (I'm not sure of the model number).

I'm confused about whether I should run the internal or external x-over on the sub. What's the difference, pro's/cons.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Ideally you would want to use the subwoofer pre-out from the receiver to the line-level input on the sub and let the receiver do all the bass management. Speaker level (high-level) inputs on the sub will work fine but then you have to run additional speaker wire from the sub to the main speakers and that is an issue if the sub is far away from the main speakers.
 
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havinnoj

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reciever is going to speaker level NOT line levels. What are the benefits of running to line levels vs speaker levels? And for both of those, do I want to use the internal or external x-over (the switch on the sub)?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
havinnoj said:
reciever is going to speaker level NOT line levels. What are the benefits of running to line levels vs speaker levels? And for both of those, do I want to use the internal or external x-over (the switch on the sub)?
Yes, I understood the first post clearly. Did you see where I said that will work but requires a lot of extra speaker wire to go from the sub back to the mains?

Use the sub pre-out of the receiver instead and connect to the line level input of the sub. If you use the line-level connections to the sub you will use the receiver's bass management which means it will control the xover - hence you do not use the sub's internal xover. [Flip the switch to external or use the input that bypasses the sub's internal xover - however your sub works].
 
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havinnoj

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MDS, I used all caps as to correct what I mentioned earlier...not in any regard to you - my appologies.

Thanks for the info. I had it setup to run line level, but currently is setup using speaker level. What is the point of having a speaker level?

Should I use the FSR's internal x-over if I'm running speaker level?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
Subs provide speaker level inputs because equipment varies and not everyone has a receiver or pre-amp that can perform bass management.

If you use speaker level inputs, you have no choice but to use the sub's internal xover. You didn't mention the type of receiver you are using, but if you want to use speaker level inputs, you have to tell the receiver that the front speakers are Large and Subwoofer=No. That way the receiver will send a full-range signal to the sub (which is connected to the receiver's front left and right speaker terminals) and the sub's xover will deal with sending the lows to the sub and the highs above the xover to the front speakers.

It will sound the same as when using the line-level input to the sub from the receiver's subwoofer pre-out, but you have the disadvantage of all the extra speaker wire - not to mention that you are sending the sub an already amplified signal which it will step down to line-level, do the xover, then send the frequencies above the xover to the speakers connected to it.

If you use the receiver's bass management, you set all speakers to Small and Subwoofer=Yes. You then set the xover you want in the receiver. The receiver will take care of sending the sub only the frequencies below the xover and it will not amplify the part of the signal that includes those frequencies (the sub does that). That takes a huge burden off of the receiver and in general allows the receiver to play louder and cleaner. The receiver also does time alignment (this is where you tell it the distance to each speaker including the sub). Time alignment helps to balance the hand-off between the frequencies the sub plays and the frequencies the rest of the speakers play.

So, 99% of the time it's better to let the receiver do the bass management so the sub only has to amplify the frequencies it will reproduce and the receiver doesn't have to waste power amplifying frequencies that will not be sent to the other speakers. Because the receiver is handling the xover, you want to disable the sub's internal xover (you said yours has a switch to do so); if you can't disable it, then set the sub's xover as high as it will go to get it out of the way.

Besides the fact that modern surround receivers are designed to work that way, you can make adjustments on the fly with the receiver's remote instead of fiddling with the dials on the sub itself.

No offense taken, just trying to clarify things for you.
 
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havinnoj

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MDS, again thanks for the info. That really helps to clarify what was going on. The reciever is a harmon kardon 3480. It doesn't have much in the place of manual option/selection, so I was getting very confused about how to determine (even choose) which x-over I'd use. Thanks for all your info
 
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