Setting sub level for multichannel

[expose11]

Hello all. I am new to the forum and it has been a wealth of info. I have a question on multichannel base management. I am not happy with the amount of base from my sub in multichannel (dvd-a or sacd) but am very happy with it from DTS/DD. I am wondering if as a work around I can increase the level of my sub with the gain for multichannel and then re-calibrate my sub to match my other speakers for DTS/DD using the receivers sub level adjustment and LFE adjustment? I am sure this will work, but am I missing something? Any draw backs to my idea.
It would be great if I could just turn up the base in the dvd player, but in the 750 that is not possible.
Thanks Expose11

Yamaha RX-V2600
Yamaha DVD-C750

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hello all. I am new to the forum and it has been a wealth of info. I have a question on multichannel base management. I am not happy with the amount of base from my sub in multichannel (dvd-a or sacd) but am very happy with it from DTS/DD. I am wondering if as a work around I can increase the level of my sub with the gain for multichannel and then re-calibrate my sub to match my other speakers for DTS/DD using the receivers sub level adjustment and LFE adjustment? I am sure this will work, but am I missing something? Any draw backs to my idea.
It would be great if I could just turn up the base in the dvd player, but in the 750 that is not possible.
Thanks Expose11

Yamaha RX-V2600
Yamaha DVD-C750

I bet you are not happy with the sub in multi channel audio modes. Unless the DVD player has bass management features, your sub will not operate. If a recoding has a special channel for it, haven't heard this yet, then you might.

 

[supervij]

I had this problem and was advised to increase the subwoofer level in the receiver by 10 dB for multi-channel input. So if your subwoofer level is (for example) -5 dB for the digital input (DTS, Dobly Digital, PCM), then put the subwoofer level to +5 dB for the analog multi-channel input. A lot of players don't have sufficient bass management options, and this is one way around it. Your receiver should "remember" the different speaker levels for digital and for the multi-channel inputs.

cheers,
supervij

 

[expose11]

I had this problem and was advised to increase the subwoofer level in the receiver by 10 dB for multi-channel input. So if your subwoofer level is (for example) -5 dB for the digital input (DTS, Dobly Digital, PCM), then put the subwoofer level to +5 dB for the analog multi-channel input. A lot of players don't have sufficient bass management options, and this is one way around it. Your receiver should "remember" the different speaker levels for digital and for the multi-channel inputs.

cheers,
supervij

Unless I am missing something in my receiver, and I dont think I am, it bypasses all when put in multi-channel. All the DAC's are bypassed, all the base management is bypassed, and all the DSP.
I thought that this was the point of multi-channel. To get a pure analoge input to the receiver and then passed on to the speakers.
I have the Yamaha RX-V2600. The Yamaha DVD-C750 player. I was somewhat incorrect in my original post. I do have the ability to increase the level of the sub in the dvd players speaker setup. I have set it all the way up. However it is still quite a bit lower then I am wanting. I am still wondering if my original question will work with no negative results?
Thanks
Expose11

 

[Pyrrho]

Hello all. I am new to the forum and it has been a wealth of info. I have a question on multichannel base management. I am not happy with the amount of base from my sub in multichannel (dvd-a or sacd) but am very happy with it from DTS/DD. I am wondering if as a work around I can increase the level of my sub with the gain for multichannel and then re-calibrate my sub to match my other speakers for DTS/DD using the receivers sub level adjustment and LFE adjustment? I am sure this will work, but am I missing something? Any draw backs to my idea.
It would be great if I could just turn up the base in the dvd player, but in the 750 that is not possible.
Thanks Expose11

Yamaha RX-V2600
Yamaha DVD-C750

Of course, if your equipment has the appropriate adjustments, you can turn up the level control on the subwoofer and turn down the subwoofer output on the receiver, though if your subwoofer automatically turns itself on, you may have a problem if you turn down the output on the receiver, as it may not trigger the subwoofer to turn on when the bass is low.

In your setup for the DVD player, did you use the internal test tones to set the various levels? Did you set it so that all channels, including the subwoofer, are at the same volume? And did you switch on the bass management in the DVD player? If so (for all three questions), the amount of bass that you are getting from your SACDs and DVD-As is what it should be. If you want more bass than that, feel free to turn up your subwoofer and/or bass controls all you want.

Out of curiosity, how do you like the bass when you play a DVD with Dolby Digital or DTS and use the DVD player's decoder instead of the one in the receiver?

If I were to hazard a guess about what your problem is, it would be that you did not switch on the bass management in the DVD player, and you don't have main speakers that can go as deep as your subwoofer, so the deep bass in the main channels is not being reproduced. However, I will wait until you tell us about the questions I ask above before jumping to any conclusions.

 

[expose11]

Pyrrho, Thanks for the response. To answer your question about listening to DTS or DD using the dvd's decoders, I have not done this. The DAC's in my receiver are much better then those in the dvd for sure. I will try it though. But since I have figured out the problem it will be good.
Supervij,
I was wrong in saying that I had no bass management when in multichannel. I was confusing that with PURE DIRECT which shuts off all DAC's and DSP and bypasses all PEQ in the receiver.
I am able to increase the sub level in multichannel, however it does not remember it for this input. It is a global adjustment.

So to sum it up, I have solved my problem by increasing the sub level in the dvd player to a max of +6db and increased the sub level in my receiver to my taste. I use one of the receivers memory positions to remember my settings for multichannel. That way I just press memory 2 any time I listen to dvd-a or sacd and memory 1 for movie DTS/DD.

Thanks for the help guys. I guess what I needed was a push to keep looking for the right settings.
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