Self calibration on Yamaha HTR series a joke or reality?

[USER1102]

After many years of waiting to assemble a decent audio system, the experience has been plagued with problems.

My new package is as follows:

Yamaha HTR-6090B Reciever
Energy: RC-50 Towers
RC-LCR Center
RC-R Rears
S10.3 Sub

So far I think the speakers are pretty incredible, although they are far from being calibrated correctly. The problem I am having is with the HTR-6090B. The calibration results are inconsistent - saying my left-front channel is out of phase. The equalization and distance-detection results are inconsistent between calibrations as well.

After hours of fing around with this reciever, I went and picked up another for a comparison (also a HTR). The results with the new reciever are much different. Instead of detecting that the left-front channel is out of phase, it indicates in the results screen that the center channel is out of phase.

I did a little experimenting and found out the calibration microphones seem to be the problem. Testing with both recievers and both microphones indicate that one using one (microphone) results in the center channel out of phase and the other (microphone) the front-left out of phase.

What is the deal with this model of reciever?
I had a buddy bring his YAM.RX over and it calibrated properly the first try.

Yamaha says the circuitry and componants are the same between product lines - is this true, cause my results certainly don't indicate so.

Is an accurate self calibration possible with this equipement?

Can a higher quality microphone be used to rememdy this issue?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

 

[mnnc]

After many years of waiting to assemble a decent audio system, the experience has been plagued with problems.

My new package is as follows:

Yamaha HTR-6090B Reciever
Energy: RC-50 Towers
RC-LCR Center
RC-R Rears
S10.3 Sub

So far I think the speakers are pretty incredible, although they are far from being calibrated correctly. The problem I am having is with the HTR-6090B. The calibration results are inconsistent - saying my left-front channel is out of phase. The equalization and distance-detection results are inconsistent between calibrations as well.

After hours of fing around with this reciever, I went and picked up another for a comparison (also a HTR). The results with the new reciever are much different. Instead of detecting that the left-front channel is out of phase, it indicates in the results screen that the center channel is out of phase.

I did a little experimenting and found out the calibration microphones seem to be the problem. Testing with both recievers and both microphones indicate that one using one (microphone) results in the center channel out of phase and the other (microphone) the front-left out of phase.

What is the deal with this model of reciever?
I had a buddy bring his YAM.RX over and it calibrated properly the first try.

Yamaha says the circuitry and componants are the same between product lines - is this true, cause my results certainly don't indicate so.

Is an accurate self calibration possible with this equipement?

Can a higher quality microphone be used to rememdy this issue?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

This "problem" was discussed to death with the ypao and the rx-v2500. Ignore the phase prompt as long as you know the spkrs are connected correctly. Pos to pos and neg to neg. I had the same results with my 2500 and it was due to the spkr wiring as my spkrs have built in subs. I checked polarity and was certain they were connected right. Forget about it and carry on.

 

[tomd51]

I wouldn't get too worked up about some of the 'out-of-phase' readings for the 'wiring' option when running the YPAO Auto Setup feature. If you've wired your speakers correctly, this step isn't needed and from my own experience on my RX-V2500, I suggest skipping it. The speaker size test doesn't always yield the proper results as well.

Having said that, the distance, equalizing and level setting options have almost always worked fairly accuratey when testing against other equipment (SPL Meter, Room EQ Wizard, etc.), so while it does a decent job with some of these functions, I wouldn't necessarily say its the 'end all, be all' solution for receiver settings and calibration.

On the whole I'd say Denon's Audyssey MultEqXT works a bit better than YPAO, but they both have their own quirks. I suggest using them with an SPL meter for more accurate results. -TD

 

[Nuglets]

YPAO has worked half-way decent for me when used for distance only, but recently I have just used a tape measure for the distance. I would not count on the built in EQ to give you very pleasing results as I have had many inconsistencies using this with a dead silent room and no changes in any variables. I personally listen to music in Direct Stereo and I used Room EQ Wizard to help me get my low frequency range matched with the mid and high range using the sub-level control on my tower's.

 

[billnchristy]

YPAO is inconsistant in sub distance measurement (shouldnt much matter). The EQ also made a huge dip at 60hz in my system, other than that it is fairly decent.

You can always skip the parts you dont like as well.

One thing to note, try not to have any noise in the house when running the tests because they will adversely affect things.

Also...is it possible that one or more of your speakers are internally wired out of phase? The only reason I ask is because I have run YPAO in 2 different rooms with 2 different sets of speakers probably about 12 times and never had a phase error.