ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
I look forward to the day when I can have a fixed screen in my room. However, due to my current room configuration I have a doorway that is right where the screen should reside. For that reason I decided to get an Elite retractable screen with a constant tension system. It was cheap…but it gets the job done for now. However, as I start planning the next iteration of what this room will look like (it is ever evolving and changing) I am wondering if there are other options I should consider.

For instance, what would be a good option for an fixed screen that is acoustically transparent? I’m considering going to inwall speakers and perhaps relocating the door out of the way…but if I went inwall I would have to put them behind the screen.

Is there any mounting options that would enable me to put a fixed screen on the wall, but that actually shift the screen to the left or right when I want to use it. Basically, I was thinking that a fixed screen could rest on some kind of rail system that allows it to rest to the left when it isn’t in use, which would free up the door…but then it would slide to the right and would rest in front of the door when in use.

Anyway, are there any other options I am missing that might be better? I’m ok with my retractable screen…but I would like to move away from that at some point. What are your opinions on the two options above? Heck, I don’t even know if the second option is really an option or just something I dreamed up. I don’t think I could engineer it myself so I was hoping somebody else already has built it. Are there any cost concerns I should consider?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
There are acoustically transparent screens of good quality from the major manufacturers such as Draper, DaLite, and Stewart. None of them are particularly bad and all of them are decent manufacturers. Stewart is specifically known for their quality (and price).

For a sliding system, I would think you could do this VERY easily. Not exactly something which would need to be engineered. Use drawer slides...

http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Fox-D3034-100-Pound-Capacity/dp/B0000DD4AC/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1251836209&sr=1-11

A few pairs of those, with a 1x3 mounted on them and mount it on the wall and hang the screen. The slides would let you take it left/right without any problems that I forsee. Not to be confused with there being no actual problems.

There is nothing wrong with a retractable screen, but it needs to be a tab-tensioned screen of decent quality, not a cheap version. As far as I know there are no tab-tensioned manual screens on the market yet.

EDIT: This site seems to have some killer drawer (screen?) slide options available to give you an idea of just how much range you could have...
http://www.cabinetparts.com/c/drawer-slides-full-extension/

60"!!!
 
ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
Thanks for the feedback BMXTRIX. I know you post a lot of great info on this portion of the forum so I appreciate you taking some time for me.

Yeah, my current screen is tab tensioned and it is motorized. It is cheap though. I don't have any real issues with it but even though it is tab tensioned I can't get it perfectly flat...and for some reason I can't get my projector to fill the screen in perfectly. It is either too tall or too wide. It works for now though.

I just need to really look at what the end game will be for this. I don't think I can convince the wife to spend as much as a Stewart screen would cost. However, I have time so I really just need to make a smart decision now and move forward with it. The first part of doing that is ensuring I know what all my options are. Are there any other ways to work around a door other than what I have listed?
 
F

FNG212

Audioholic
I was looking at the screen you currently have (the cinetension). Can you describe the lack of flat-ness a bit more?

Is the picture fit a projector issue or screen issue?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I was looking at the screen you currently have (the cinetension). Can you describe the lack of flat-ness a bit more?

Is the picture fit a projector issue or screen issue?
I can't talk about the flatness, but the image not fitting is almost always a screen issue and even the major manufacturers - Draper & DaLite have issues with getting tab-tensioned screens made perfectly 16:9 shape when they have tension applied, so I can only imagine how far off cheaper screens would be.

I can say that my tab-tensioned screen (Draper Ultimate Access V) has ZERO flatness issues and that I've been enjoying it without issue for about four years now. There's a definite reason why it makes sense to pay a bit more for the better brands of motorized screens I think.
 
basspig

basspig

Full Audioholic
In terms of audio performance, none of the fixed AT screens from established manufacturers have been reported to perform well. Fixed spacing perf screens suffer comb filtering, in addition to severe attenuation at high frequencies.

When I was planning my theater, I looked at the standard options and was quickly losing enthusiasm. My friend Ethan Winer, a pretty critical audiophile, absolutely eschews any type of AT screen for this reason.

That said, I happened across a (at the time, DIY) solution from a small startup called SeymourAV Products. They have a weave that is about 8X finer than Stuart's offerings, and the holes are random, more like the holes in basket weave grill cloth. I studied all the information I could find on this material and it's acoustic properties. It looked promising enough that I bought some, pre-cut for my screen dimensions.

I am pleased to report that it has negligable effect on the audio response of the system and I can't hear any degradation of sound with it in place. It is open enough to let a breeze pass through, so it won't flutter and move much even with fairly aggressive low frequency energy.

Word has it that SeymourAV has a new fixed AT screen on the market, so if you're not into DIY, this may be the solution you're looking for.

Visually, the screen is just as terrific. And.. because the weave is finer, you can sit much closer before a pattern is visible. With the fixed pitch perf screens, you have to be as much as 50% further away not to see the holes. I like the SeymourAV screen because I can sit close enough to have an enveloping experience where I have to look left and right and up and down a bit to follow the action.

And the good news is that it costs quite a bit less. That leaves money for a better sound system, a higher resolution projector, or some new furniture. :)
 
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