Sarah Connor

[mtrycrafts]

I just had a chance to watch the season ending. Who was that guy at the end that blew up the girl?

 

[mike c]

never seen him before in the series. but he must be one of the "resistance" fighters from the future. (same team as Brian Austin Green) -> maybe he made him blow up the girl

note: I havent watched the last two episodes yet, but since you asked, I fast forwarded to the ending

 

[mike c]

ok, bad guess. watched the eps now.

that was sarkissian. head bad guy.

 

[gene]

just had a chance to watch the season ending. Who was that guy at the end that blew up the girl?

Wasn't he the guy that checked people in at the internet cafe and the one who actually possesses the TERK?


I do have one question, who is the latina girl that the Terminator chick asked if she needs to kill her now?

 

[Tomorrow]

Wasn't he the guy that checked people in at the internet cafe and the one who actually possesses the TERK?


I do have one question, who is the latina girl that the Terminator chick asked if she needs to kill her now?

There were lots of nonsequitors in the last ep...and loose ends to make you come back next season (if there is one), I guess. The latina was the girlfriend of the nephew of the guy who was an FBI informant/ID thief.

What I still haven't figured out is how John's uncle Derek took John to the park to watch a younger Derek (12 year old?) playing ball with John's father Kyle (a 5 year old?). They're supposed to be in 2008. Earlier in the show, Derek, who appears to be about 30 said that in the future, he took John to have a beer on his (John's) 30th birthday. HUH?! How can Derek and John be about the same age in the future when uncle Derek is older than John's father?

Sounds like a buddhist conundrum, eh?!

 

[gene]

What I still haven't figured out is how John's uncle Derek took John to the park to watch a younger Derek (12 year old?) playing ball with John's father Kyle (a 5 year old?). They're supposed to be in 2008. Earlier in the show, Derek, who appears to be about 30 said that in the future, he took John to have a beer on his (John's) 30th birthday. HUH?! How can Derek and John be about the same age in the future when uncle Derek is older than John's father?

Yes that was very confusing as well but that scene was very powerful and really added points to Dereks character.

I also don't understand how the Doctor went crazy meanwhile he appears in T3 which happens after the events of this series and hes still a doctor though a bit shaken up.

 

[Tomorrow]

Yes that was very confusing as well but that scene was very powerful and really added points to Dereks character.

I also don't understand how the Doctor went crazy meanwhile he appears in T3 which happens after the events of this series and hes still a doctor though a bit shaken up.

Time for the director to yell, "CONTINUITY!!" to the A.D. and writers.

Still...all in all...I enjoyed this little mini-season of the show. (Gah, aren't all shows doing mini-seasons now?! What the hell happened to 39 or even 26 ep seasons?!)

 

[mike c]

i think this series ignores the movie t3 (supposed to)

 

[mtrycrafts]

Time for the director to yell, "CONTINUITY!!" to the A.D. and writers.

Still...all in all...I enjoyed this little mini-season of the show. (Gah, aren't all shows doing mini-seasons now?! What the hell happened to 39 or even 26 ep seasons?!)

The way of the dinosaurs

 

[CaliHwyPatrol]

What I still haven't figured out is how John's uncle Derek took John to the park to watch a younger Derek (12 year old?) playing ball with John's father Kyle (a 5 year old?). They're supposed to be in 2008. Earlier in the show, Derek, who appears to be about 30 said that in the future, he took John to have a beer on his (John's) 30th birthday. HUH?! How can Derek and John be about the same age in the future when uncle Derek is older than John's father?

Sounds like a buddhist conundrum, eh?!

John is technically supposed to be 24 in 2008, as he states when he is talking about his birthday. This means that he is also 19 years older than his father, who could only conceive him because he was sent through the time displacement field in the first Terminator. So, based on how the time line works out, John is older than his father and Derek, which would make it possible for Derek to be celebrating John's 30th birthday with him.

Get it yet?

 

[Bluesmoke]

There were lots of nonsequitors in the last ep...and loose ends to make you come back next season (if there is one), I guess. The latina was the girlfriend of the nephew of the guy who was an FBI informant/ID thief.

What I still haven't figured out is how John's uncle Derek took John to the park to watch a younger Derek (12 year old?) playing ball with John's father Kyle (a 5 year old?). They're supposed to be in 2008. Earlier in the show, Derek, who appears to be about 30 said that in the future, he took John to have a beer on his (John's) 30th birthday. HUH?! How can Derek and John be about the same age in the future when uncle Derek is older than John's father?

Sounds like a buddhist conundrum, eh?!

Derek from the Future is supposed to be in his mid 30s. In the Future, John is not Kyle's son. Kyle changed the future when he knocked up Sarah. Thus, the John of the Future will not exist in the current timeline. The current John will be a different John, and make different choices, and likely more prepared since he was groomed from birth unlike the original John who became "a great military leader" after Judgement day happened. It's possible, the future John (who was fathered by someone else), was born much later than 1985 (Kyle's John). Let's say between 1986-1995 (time of T2). The original Judgement day was Aug 1997. Derek would be born around 1994-1995. So they're probably 0-8 years different in age. So it's not completely out of the question that he took John out for a Beer for his 30th. Derek would be in his early 20s or just slightly younger than future John.

John is technically supposed to be 24 in 2008, as he states when he is talking about his birthday. This means that he is also 19 years older than his father, who could only conceive him because he was sent through the time displacement field in the first Terminator. So, based on how the time line works out, John is older than his father and Derek, which would make it possible for Derek to be celebrating John's 30th birthday with him.

Get it yet?

It couldn't work like that because Derek came to 2008 around the same time as Kyle went back to 1984. So he would have no way of knowing that John time jumped to 2008.

 

[Audioholics]

I don't understand the whole point of the show, though I enjoy it.

If they "succeed" then the future will not happen.

Reece will not come back in time.

John will therefore cease to exist.

Removing the thing that caused the "success".

It's like a riddle, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma... lol.

 

[mike c]

It's like a riddle, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma... lol.

just be happy JJ Abrams has nothing to do with this show

 

[Bluesmoke]

I don't understand the whole point of the show, though I enjoy it.

If they "succeed" then the future will not happen.

Reece will not come back in time.

John will therefore cease to exist.

Removing the thing that caused the "success".

It's like a riddle, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma... lol.

I don't think the way time travel works in terminator is the same as Back to the Future. People don't dissappear in thin air if something is changed in the past. It works like an alternate timeline. Remember, the events of T3 never happened because they time jumped to 2008. If Skynet sends a terminator back to 2000, or so, it will not find them. If they succeed. It only affects the future. Kyle Reese has already gone back and created John. The only way for him not to exist is if a Terminator is sent before Kyle reaches Sarah and kills her. Even if a terminator kills Kyle when he's a boy in 2008, it doesn't undo what's already happened.

For example, if David Reese goes back to the future in 2029, he won't find the John he grew up with. It will be Kyle's John.

 

[majorloser]

I don't understand the whole point of the show, though I enjoy it.

If they "succeed" then the future will not happen.

Reece will not come back in time.

John will therefore cease to exist.

Removing the thing that caused the "success".

It's like a riddle, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in an enigma... lol.

Ask Dina, she'll explain it to ya'

Good topic for the next AVRant.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I don't think the way time travel works in terminator is the same as Back to the Future. People don't dissappear in thin air if something is changed in the past. It works like an alternate timeline. Remember, the events of T3 never happened because they time jumped to 2008. If Skynet sends a terminator back to 2000, or so, it will not find them. If they succeed. It only affects the future. Kyle Reese has already gone back and created John. The only way for him not to exist is if a Terminator is sent before Kyle reaches Sarah and kills her. Even if a terminator kills Kyle when he's a boy in 2008, it doesn't undo what's already happened.

For example, if David Reese goes back to the future in 2029, he won't find the John he grew up with. It will be Kyle's John.

Yep, I think this is how time works for them
Or, is it like a parallel timeline is created? Or, like in Sliders, parallel universes?

 

[Bluesmoke]

Yep, I think this is how time works for them
Or, is it like a parallel timeline is created? Or, like in Sliders, parallel universes?

Yes, it's parallel timeline. It seems the parallels begin with Kyle's first jump. That creates 2 timelines - one where he's not the father, and the other where he is. But once in the original timeline, the alternate timeline access is not possible.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Yes, it's parallel timeline. It seems the parallels begin with Kyle's first jump. That creates 2 timelines - one where he's not the father, and the other where he is. But once in the original timeline, the alternate timeline access is not possible.

So then, every time there is a jump in time, like in this series, there is another parallel time that is running? Now we have at least 3? then, the inevitable will happen or has and just postponed in others?

 

[Bluesmoke]

So then, every time there is a jump in time, like in this series, there is another parallel time that is running? Now we have at least 3? then, the inevitable will happen or has and just postponed in others?

That's the problem with time travel, it's never really explained. The best we can gather is what James Cameron hints at throughout the 1st 2 movies. "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves". I think that statement can be interpreted as a metaphor for time travel as well. I think what happens is, once you time travel to the past, the future just doesn't exist for the individual who jumped.

The parallel times are just speculatory to reflect possible outcomes. For example, as soon as Kyle Reese goes back, does John Connor change immediately? Likely not. That timeline continues on the way it always had.

Changing the past doesn't affect the "future", but the future of the present timeline. Otherwise, John Connor would've dropped dead as soon as Kyle Reese left because Kyle stopped the "future" John from ever being born the instant he left 2029.

So why does Skynet continue to send terminators to the past, if the future Skynet wouldn't be affected since it exists in that time?

It's just a big convoluted mess when time travel is part of the plot.

 

[mtrycrafts]

That's the problem with time travel, it's never really explained. The best we can gather is what James Cameron hints at throughout the 1st 2 movies. "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves". I think that statement can be interpreted as a metaphor for time travel as well. I think what happens is, once you time travel to the past, the future just doesn't exist for the individual who jumped.

The parallel times are just speculatory to reflect possible outcomes. For example, as soon as Kyle Reese goes back, does John Connor change immediately? Likely not. That timeline continues on the way it always had.

Changing the past doesn't affect the "future", but the future of the present timeline. Otherwise, John Connor would've dropped dead as soon as Kyle Reese left because Kyle stopped the "future" John from ever being born the instant he left 2029.

So why does Skynet continue to send terminators to the past, if the future Skynet wouldn't be affected since it exists in that time?

It's just a big convoluted mess when time travel is part of the plot.

Skynet exists because the past was not altered in a definitive way. Perhaps nothing can stop it; it is inevitable human creation?