San Francisco, getting more stupid by the day ..........

panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
So one moron does something and that means a city of millions agrees with it just because of where it happened? I don't get it.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
If the officers are asked to leave and they don't, what are the employees gonna do, call the police?

Or maybe, the officers could have prevented a problem if someone decides to do something stupid....


I can't think of a single incident where a cop opened fire in a restaurant. Maybe people should stop assuming all cops are bad cops.

WRT 'No shoes, no shirt...", they can if they post 'No Loitering'.
Cops I would say generally know not to open fire in a crowd. In my CCW training, they stress this as well as well as the fact that "You are not a LEO, you are a citizen." If you shoot someone other than your intended target, you go to jail. Even if you hit only your intended target, you will be arrested pending investigation.

With the "no shirt, no shoes", we saw something similar when Target came out with their "No Firearms" policy. They can ASK, but since they are not LEO, they cannot LEGALLY enforce it. Their security can escort you, but if you refuse (for whatever reason, most people I expect would comply), their only option is to call the police to truly enforce that trespass/policy violation. They backpedaled that within days. This is the same as with shoplifters, they are limited in what actions they can take.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
So one moron does something and that means a city of millions agrees with it just because of where it happened? I don't get it.
SanFran is having more than one issue by one moron when it comes to law enforcement. It seems to be trending if you catch my drift.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Overlord
LOL, you crack me up, a true left coast libtard !
So you just called lovinthehd libtard, a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard', suggesting that being a liberal is a mental deficit. So this makes you Retardlican ?
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Overlord
SanFran is having more than one issue by one moron when it comes to law enforcement. It seems to be trending if you catch my drift.
I am not really following the issues of SF police, but I find this little bit interesting:
This bit specifically:
Demilitarize Police

Mayor Breed has directed San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) to establish an explicit policy barring the use of military-grade weapons against unarmed civilians. This includes, but is not limited to, chemical weapons such as tear gas, bayonets, and tanks. This plan will call on SFPD to inventory and plan how to divest the Department of any such weapons currently in their possession by the end of 2021, and to create safeguards to disconnect the SFPD from federal grants for weapons of attack used against the community.
Does anyone else see the problem of the police force having and/or using chemical weapons and tanks?
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Spartan
SanFran is having more than one issue by one moron when it comes to law enforcement. It seems to be trending if you catch my drift.
I don't disagree, but I'm just taking this one article about one person refusing service to a few officers. I'm sure plenty in that town agree, but not EVERYONE.

I just get annoyed when articles/people paint with too wide a brush. Where I live, people have vastly different mindsets depending on the topic. Our local cops are fine. Nobody has an issue with them. I've lived in other places in TX where the locals hate the cops, so I've lived through both attitudes. However, that doesn't mean I can't find multiple people in both places that completely disagree with what "most" people think.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
I am not really following the issues of SF police, but I find this little bit interesting:
This bit specifically:


Does anyone else see the problem of the police force having and/or using chemical weapons and tanks?
Tanks? You gotta be sh$thing me! :D
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Slumlord
Cops I would say generally know not to open fire in a crowd. In my CCW training, they stress this as well as well as the fact that "You are not a LEO, you are a citizen." If you shoot someone other than your intended target, you go to jail. Even if you hit only your intended target, you will be arrested pending investigation.

With the "no shirt, no shoes", we saw something similar when Target came out with their "No Firearms" policy. They can ASK, but since they are not LEO, they cannot LEGALLY enforce it. Their security can escort you, but if you refuse (for whatever reason, most people I expect would comply), their only option is to call the police to truly enforce that trespass/policy violation. They backpedaled that within days. This is the same as with shoplifters, they are limited in what actions they can take.
It's one of the four rules.

They also don't have the authority to enforce a no guns on the property sign unless it's a school or other specific facilities.

WRT shoplifters, it used to be that the turd couldn't be touched inside of the store and confrontation would often result in sensitivity training but I have seen loss prevention personnel confront people at stores as soon as they move toward the door to leave and sometimes the thief said "I didn't know I had it", even though they were wearing the item under their other clothes. I have also seen full-blown brawls on the floor outside of a Sears store when I worked across the hall from the main entrance. The fight actually made its way into our store and in that case, a guy & woman were filling duffle bags with clothes while another woman became more and more pregnant, the longer she was in the store. They were arrested and in court the next day, he said he wanted a jury trial. The prosecutor held up his rap sheet printout and it went from his outstretched hand to the floor- he asked "Really?" and the guy said "Well, maybe not". The guy put up a tremendous fight and only said "OW" when his head hit the wooden frame around the window of our store. Turns out, he had injected Cocaine, so he didn't seem to be feeling much, if any pain.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
So you just called lovinthehd libtard, a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard', suggesting that being a liberal is a mental deficit. So this makes you Retardlican ?
You want the truth? They all suck :D What am I then? A Republicrat? (from A Perfect Circle - Hourglass). I believe in climate change and saving the environment and that everyone (legal) should be able to have a firearm :D

Breaks down too...
Aristocrat breaks down too
Timocrat breaks down too
Oligarch breaks down too
Republicrat breaks down too
No hope left in the hourglass
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Five, four, three, two...


It's one of the four rules.

They also don't have the authority to enforce a no guns on the property sign unless it's a school or other specific facilities.

WRT shoplifters, it used to be that the turd couldn't be touched inside of the store and confrontation would often result in sensitivity training but I have seen loss prevention personnel confront people at stores as soon as they move toward the door to leave and sometimes the thief said "I didn't know I had it", even though they were wearing the item under their other clothes. I have also seen full-blown brawls on the floor outside of a Sears store when I worked across the hall from the main entrance. The fight actually made its way into our store and in that case, a guy & woman were filling duffle bags with clothes while another woman became more and more pregnant, the longer she was in the store. They were arrested and in court the next day, he said he wanted a jury trial. The prosecutor held up his rap sheet printout and it went from his outstretched hand to the floor- he asked "Really?" and the guy said "Well, maybe not". The guy put up a tremendous fight and only said "OW" when his head hit the wooden frame around the window of our store. Turns out, he had injected Cocaine, so he didn't seem to be feeling much, if any pain.
I've seen that too, first hand. I was at Frys (RIP) where shoplifting was pretty common. They waited until the guy hit the door and then 4 large security guards then chased him down in the parking lot and brought him back. Was pretty crazy.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Slumlord
So you just called lovinthehd libtard, a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard', suggesting that being a liberal is a mental deficit. So this makes you Retardlican ?
Be consistent- it would be 'Republitard'. Jeez! (only for correction, not commenting on the target of the other post)
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Slumlord
I am not really following the issues of SF police, but I find this little bit interesting:
This bit specifically:


Does anyone else see the problem of the police force having and/or using chemical weapons and tanks?
Tanks, well, APCs carry more people and are a lot more secure than squad cars. People are shooting through doors, windows, walls, etc before officers even reach the building- how would you like to be protected.

Do you know why police started using AR-style rifles? They were outgunned in the North Hollywood bank robbery and the two robbers were covered from head to toe in body armor. They had been robbing up to two banks a day up to that point. Part of the video is on YouTube-


Why do people not blame the criminals? This is a cause & effect situation- if the police didn't need better protection, they wouldn't requisition it and the Federal government wouldn't necessarily want to give it out but IMO, it's better than leaving a billion dollars of military hardware in a hostile part of the world.

As far as chemical weapons, do you know anyone who carries Bear spray, Mace, pepper spray, or anything like that? Tear gas is an effective way to disperse a crowd or get someone outside of a building without shooting them but yeah, don't bother blaming the ones who are holed up after a crime spree.

If people were more peaceful, nobody would be talking about this stuff.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
Tanks, well, APCs carry more people and are a lot more secure than squad cars. People are shooting through doors, windows, walls, etc before officers even reach the building- how would you like to be protected.

Do you know why police started using AR-style rifles? They were outgunned in the North Hollywood bank robbery and the two robbers were covered from head to toe in body armor. They had been robbing up to two banks a day up to that point. Part of the video is on YouTube-


Why do people not blame the criminals? This is a cause & effect situation- if the police didn't need better protection, they wouldn't requisition it and the Federal government wouldn't necessarily want to give it out but IMO, it's better than leaving a billion dollars of military hardware in a hostile part of the world.

As far as chemical weapons, do you know anyone who carries Bear spray, Mace, pepper spray, or anything like that? Tear gas is an effective way to disperse a crowd or get someone outside of a building without shooting them but yeah, don't bother blaming the ones who are holed up after a crime spree.

If people were more peaceful, nobody would be talking about this stuff.
Winner comment right here when criminals escalated they're ability to be armed cops were forced to do the same

People do seems to have forgotten that

Still tanks tho :D
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
Tanks, well, APCs carry more people and are a lot more secure than squad cars. People are shooting through doors, windows, walls, etc before officers even reach the building- how would you like to be protected.

Do you know why police started using AR-style rifles? They were outgunned in the North Hollywood bank robbery and the two robbers were covered from head to toe in body armor. They had been robbing up to two banks a day up to that point. Part of the video is on YouTube-


Why do people not blame the criminals? This is a cause & effect situation- if the police didn't need better protection, they wouldn't requisition it and the Federal government wouldn't necessarily want to give it out but IMO, it's better than leaving a billion dollars of military hardware in a hostile part of the world.

As far as chemical weapons, do you know anyone who carries Bear spray, Mace, pepper spray, or anything like that? Tear gas is an effective way to disperse a crowd or get someone outside of a building without shooting them but yeah, don't bother blaming the ones who are holed up after a crime spree.

If people were more peaceful, nobody would be talking about this stuff.
Yeah chemical weapons I got no problem with I carry around spray myself Lol it's a great way to deescelate a situation without it going out of control let's you get out of the conflict
 
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