Rotel salesperson

[2string]

Well I have a Rotel salesperson trying to sell me a 1057. I told him I was considering the Denon 2308ci and he laughed. Not surprised being a dealer of Rotel. I have hard to drive Cremona Auditors 4ohm 88db speakers and that the Denon would not last 9 months and did not have enough current to drive them properly. I think he's kinda right. What do you all think?

 

[gus6464]

Well I have a Rotel salesperson trying to sell me a 1057. I told him I was considering the Denon 2308ci and he laughed. Not surprised being a dealer of Rotel. I have hard to drive Cremona Auditors 4ohm 88db speakers and that the Denon would not last 9 months and did not have enough current to drive them properly. I think he's kinda right. What do you all think?

Honestly the 2308 might be alright driving just 2 4ohm speakers but if you add a complete 5.0 setup it will be tough. You should be looking into separates for something like the Cremona in 5 channel applications. Maybe you should look into an Integra pre/pro and an Emotiva 5ch amp and see how much that runs you. But if I am not mistaken the 2308 is like $800 so you would have to up your budget by almost double to get that. I just don't have much confidence in the new Denon stuff as they don't look as well built as the older models. You might look into Pioneer Elite as someone here just replaced their Onkyo with one and loves it. He said he even demoed the Pio driving 4ohms with no problem.

 

[mike c]

first off, did he tell you the 1057 doesnt "receive/process" HDMI audio?

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=27179&highlight=1057

i would advise though that you get a receiver (one with HDMI and receives audio) with pre-outs.

 

[2string]

Well I don't know a whole lot about this stuff but how important is it to have the audio go through the HDMI cable. My plan is to have a left, right and center and no surrounds,at least for the moment. Does it really matter for watching TV or an occasional movie and listening to music?

 

[gus6464]

Well I don't know a whole lot about this stuff but how important is it to have the audio go through the HDMI cable. My plan is to have a left, right and center and no surrounds,at least for the moment. Does it really matter for watching TV or an occasional movie and listening to music?

If you are going to get a Blu-ray player you need hdmi to get the high def sound unless you buy a player that has multi ch analog outs.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Well I have a Rotel salesperson trying to sell me a 1057. I told him I was considering the Denon 2308ci and he laughed. Not surprised being a dealer of Rotel. I have hard to drive Cremona Auditors 4ohm 88db speakers and that the Denon would not last 9 months and did not have enough current to drive them properly. I think he's kinda right. What do you all think?

I just checked for fun and the company has its sensitivity rated improperly since this is a 4 ohm speaker, nominal; 1w/1m, 2.83V. This would be correct for an 8 Ohm speaker, incorrect for a 4 Ohm speaker. So, not sure what its real sensitivity is. A 1w into a 4 ohm speaker uses 2V. So, either it is rated at 2W with 2.83V in which case, this speaker is only 85dB sensitive at 1W.
You'd need a capable amp for this load.

By the way, how loud do you intend to listen and how far away from it?

 

[2string]

Not loud out all,I live in an apartment.15 to 20 feet

 

[fmw]

If the receiver is 4 ohm stable, of course, there isn't a problem. I don't have the answer to that. If it is not, then how well it will perform depends on the amount of current you draw from the amplifiers under load. That is a function of both the speaker impedance and sensitivity and the volume level.

Basically I would guess that, if you have a powered sub, you won't get anywhere near the point where amplifier instability is an issue at moderate listening levels in an apartment. The 4 ohm load will draw more current to be sure and speakers aren't very sensitive so it could be a problem at high listening levels.

The safe bet would be to choose a 4 ohm stable receiver or, at least, a THX certified one because those will often have beefier power supplies than the non-THX models. However, I would bet that, in your situation, a good quality receiver like the Denon will probably serve the purpose just fine. I know Onkyo has a 4 ohm stable receiver and I've heard my Pioneer Elite drive 4 ohm speakers really loudly without clipping so there are other options as well if you don't like the HDMI pass-through.

 

[2string]

Rotel seems to be the best choice for me,but I think I would like the full use of the HDMI. The 1057 is my price range.When does rotel come out with there new products?

 

[enrique]

The rsx1058 i out.Just check he specs with rotel.

 

[Davemcc]

The rsx1058 i out.Just check he specs with rotel.

That's 5x75w and Rotel only gives ratings in 8 ohms. I think that would have trouble driving those Cremona Auditors to any decent volume. Plus, it's only HDMI 1.1 so it won't decode HD audio formats and costs $2k.

 

[2string]

What do you mean it won't decode HD audio formats. If you talking about the 1057 it $1100

 

[mtrycrafts]

Rotel seems to be the best choice for me,but I think I would like the full use of the HDMI. The 1057 is my price range.When does rotel come out with there new products?

That Denon costs less as I recall and the Denon has been tested to drive 4 ohm speakers with lots of power available for your speakers.
The spec on that 1057 makes no mention of a 4 ohm load and the 8 ohm power is almost half of the Denon.

 

[Davemcc]

What do you mean it won't decode HD audio formats. If you talking about the 1057 it $1100

Actually, I was responding to enrique's comment about the 1058 but the same applies to the 1057, which seems essentially the same but with fewer inputs.

It won't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio, the new formats available on high definition players. Also, it will not play SACD over HDMI. You indicated that you would like to make full use of HDMI. The Denon has these features. The Rotel does not even process any audio over HDMI (per Mike's link).

The only trouble I see with the Denon 2308 is that it doesn't have preouts, so if you feel you need separate amplification you will not be able to use the Denon as a pre/pro.