Right bass management

[Ole Martin Odland]

Hi i have this setup right now.
Klipsch
Rc-42 II center down to 88hz
Rf-52 II fronts down to 36hz Bi-ampt
R-10sw woofer down to 32hz
Rp -150 rear 48hz

Reveiver Yamaya RXA740

I am now using a crossover at 90 hz, all speakers set to small. was wondering if using the Extra Bass funkyion would help my setup in any way? Is it possible to make my fronts play some bass from the center while the deepest bass from my fronts go to the sub?

Exampel center plays down to 90hz,fronts 90 to 40 or 60 hz, and sub the rest??

 

[tyhjaarpa]

I would set speakers to 80Hz and get better sub.

 

[TheWarrior]

Hi i have this setup right now.
Klipsch
Rc-42 II center down to 88hz
Rf-52 II fronts down to 36hz Bi-ampt
R-10sw woofer down to 32hz
Rp -150 rear 48hz

Reveiver Yamaya RXA740

I am now using a crossover at 90 hz, all speakers set to small. was wondering if using the Extra Bass funkyion would help my setup in any way? Is it possible to make my fronts play some bass from the center while the deepest bass from my fronts go to the sub?

Exampel center plays down to 90hz,fronts 90 to 40 or 60 hz, and sub the rest??

Please don't take this personally, (as soooooo many have) but that is not a subwoofer, it is barely capable below 50 hz. And depending on the size of your room, giving it any boost will only create distortion in the form of 'booming' play back, probably with port chuff as well.

Once you have determined a budget, I strongly recommend checking out any of the internet direct companies like Hsu, Rythmik, SVS, PSA etc.

In the meantime, all you can do is set to where it sounds best to you at the listening location.

 

[Ole Martin Odland]

I would set speakers to 80Hz and get better sub.

Why 80hz when my center is only capable down to 88hz. Will there not be a sound gap?

 

[Ole Martin Odland]

Please don't take this personally, (as soooooo many have) but that is not a subwoofer, it is barely capable below 50 hz. And depending on the size of your room, giving it any boost will only create distortion in the form of 'booming' play back, probably with port chuff as well.

Once you have determined a budget, I strongly recommend checking out any of the internet direct companies like Hsu, Rythmik, SVS, PSA etc.

In the meantime, all you can do is set to where it sounds best to you at the listening location.

Thanks for the response.

Yes i have heard that my "woofer" is not a real one. Still my setup sound pretty good. Plans to get a bettet sub when I move next year. How do I determend how good a subwoofer is? And why do you mean my current is bearly capable below 50hz?

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Why 80hz when my center is only capable down to 88hz. Will there not be a sound gap?

That 8hz is not going to hurt your center. He is correct, set everything small and crossover to 80hz. When you do that, your sub will play 80 and below, and everything else 80 and above. Make sure bass out is set to sub. There is huge advantages to this. Take a look at bass management made simple on this site. Good luck

 

[lovinthehd]

Thanks for the response.

Yes i have heard that my "woofer" is not a real one. Still my setup sound pretty good. Plans to get a bettet sub when I move next year. How do I determend how good a subwoofer is? And why do you mean my current is bearly capable below 50hz?

I haven't seen a particular test of the R-10SW but its spec is only 32hz-120hz +/- 3dB, personally the sub needs to get down to 20hz in that spec to actually be a subwoofer. Might be acceptable, particularly if only listening to music, but not so much for movies that have soundtrack info below that. If you want to look at third-party testing of subs look at data-bass.com (but you won't find this particular sub).

As far as xover, experiment. The difference in the f3 point of 88hz to a crossover of 90 hz isn't anything to get worried about; the crossovers aren't brick walls...they're slopes.

 

[Ole Martin Odland]

That 8hz is not going to hurt your center. He is correct, set everything small and crossover to 80hz. When you do that, your sub will play 80 and below, and everything else 80 and above. Make sure bass out is set to sub. There is huge advantages to this. Take a look at bass management made simple on this site. Good luck

"Set the crossover about 1/2 octave higher than the lowest frequency the smallest loudspeaker in the system can effectively reproduce" As my center only goes Down to 88hz, as my smallest speaker. would it not be correct to set the crossoverto 100hz??

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

With your system I would not cross at 100hz, That's my personal opinion. At 100hz your sub will become to directional. I have talked to Klipsch multiple times, and used to sell Klipsch . 80HZ is a great start. Listen to bass intense music, and switch between 80 and 100 and tell me what you think. You have pretty decent speakers and I (wouldn't) cross them over at 100 Hz 80 HZ will not hurt your center. Klipsch will tell you the same. Provided you're not getting super crazy with your volume knob. And what I mean by crazy, is above halfway. And you will still be sending bass to your other speakers as well

 

[lovinthehd]

I cross at 100-120 range usually but have multiple capable subs and no localization issues....but still worth trying.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

I cross at 100-120 range usually but have multiple capable subs and no localization issues....but still worth trying.

What do you have for a speaker system ?

 

[lovinthehd]

What do you have for a speaker system ?

Currently Ascend Sierra-1s as wides and center, JBL 590s as L/R (newly inserted, still experimenting) Ascend 170SE surrounds, 200SE rear surrounds, 3 x DIY SI HT18 sealed subs, one Epik Empire.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Currently Ascend Sierra-1s as wides and center, JBL 590s as L/R (newly inserted, still experimenting) Ascend 170SE surrounds, 200SE rear surrounds, 3 x DIY SI HT18 sealed subs, one Epik Empire.

Cool. I like the sub. That must KICK. I knew a kid who threw that in a hatchback lol

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

I have two Klipsch R-115sw's. I love them. In my receiver menu For the subs, I switched the phase from Normal too L&R REVERSE and what a difference. I also tried left reverse, and right reverse, but L&R reverse seems to have significantly more output than all other options . My subs are in opposing corners, one front left, and back sub right rear. Diagonal from each other, firing into the room. Both front firing subs.

 

[lovinthehd]

Cool. I like the sub. That must KICK. I knew a kid who threw that in a hatchback lol

The sub? There's three diy plus the Epik...

 

[Ole Martin Odland]

With your system I would not cross at 100hz, That's my personal opinion. At 100hz your sub will become to directional. I have talked to Klipsch multiple times, and used to sell Klipsch . 80HZ is a great start. Listen to bass intense music, and switch between 80 and 100 and tell me what you think. You have pretty decent speakers and I (wouldn't) cross them over at 100 Hz 80 HZ will not hurt your center. Klipsch will tell you the same. Provided you're not getting super crazy with your volume knob. And what I mean by crazy, is above halfway. And you will still be sending bass to your other speakers as well

I am a little confused. What happens to sound directed to my center when its below 88hz? If my crossover is at 80hz? Does it get redirected to my fronts? If that is the case why not set it to 60hz?

 

[PENG]

I am a little confused. What happens to sound directed to my center when its below 88hz? If my crossover is at 80hz? Does it get redirected to my fronts? If that is the case why not set it to 60hz?

That's been explained in post#7 in the last paragraph. Also, your in room/position response may extend it a little further then specified. If you worry, set it to 90 Hz.

For bass management. It is actually better to leave it to YPAO that will set everything up automatically. You just have to follow the instructions. If it sets the L/R/C to large, just change them back to small and you will be good to go.

Edit: I meant lovinthehd's post#7, 8 was my typo, fixed now.

 

[lovinthehd]

Maybe this page would help, including images of various crossover slopes....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkwitz–Riley_filter

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Maybe this page would help, including images of various crossover slopes....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkwitz–Riley_filter

Nice chart