Ribbon Tweeter Length, Width, and Thickness

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RedJacket

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What exactly does the length, width, and thickness of a ribbon influence in the overall ribbon tweeter design? Is there a minimum length/width/thickness, and what happens as you increase the length/width/thickness?

Thanks
 
Swerd

Swerd

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The dimensions of any driver, cone or ribbon, influences its dispersion. (In the case of a round driver such as a cone or a dome, the length and width are the same. Often ribbon drivers are rectangular.)

In theory, smaller driver dimensions produce greater sound dispersion. Because drivers produce audio frequency vibrations, the wavelengths are large enough to be similar to the driver dimension. In general, a driver smaller than the wavelength produced tends to disperse the sound widely. As wavelengths get similar to or smaller than the driver, the sound dispersion becomes narrower. A dome tweeter has similar vertical and horizontal dispersion. A rectangular ribbon tweeter can have a more limited vertical dispersion if its much taller than it is wide.

In practice, there are also mechanical and manufacturing limits to size. But that tends to change as manufacturing methods develop.

The thickness of a ribbon, cone, or dome is a different question. It's a matter of weight. A thinner or lighter driver starts and stops moving faster in response to the electrical music signals. The very light weight of ribbon tweeters is probably the main reason why they sound different from dome tweeters. Weight is also one of the physical characteristics that determine a driver's inherent resonance frequency. As weight goes up, the resonance frequency goes down, allowing lower crossover points. But as weight goes up, the speed advantages are lost. So an engineer must decide how to balance these when designing a driver.

This page discusses some of this in greater detail: RAAL: TECHNOLOGY
 
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RedJacket

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I am curious about the length and width....if I had the right material, could I still maintain the traditional rectangular shape of a Ribbon, but design on the order of microns?
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I am curious about the length and width....if I had the right material, could I still maintain the traditional rectangular shape of a Ribbon, but design on the order of microns?
I'm not sure what you mean. By microns, do you mean a rectangle with very small length and width, or do you mean a very thin rectangle?

The aluminum ribbon has two functions. It conducts electricity like the voice coil in a standard driver, and it moves air like a cone or dome. This allows the entire voice coil/piston surface to be one very light structure. I imagine there might be lower limits to ribbon surface area to move enough air, and there might be lower limits to ribbon thickness for it to carry enough current. But to be honest, commenting intelligently about ribbons beyond this level, is above my pay grade :).
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
What exactly does the length, width, and thickness of a ribbon influence in the overall ribbon tweeter design? Is there a minimum length/width/thickness, and what happens as you increase the length/width/thickness? Thanks
The actual thickness of the ribbon element will affect the mass that the magnet must move.
The width of the ribbon affects its horizontal dispersion as well as its radiating surface area.
the height of the ribbon affects a few things:

radiating surface area (which affects maximum output at a given frequency at the bottom of its passband)
type of source (as a ribbon gets longer, it begins to approach a line source at higher frequencies)
center-to-center distance from the midrange driver with which a crossover is being applied (which is complicated-ish)
 
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RedJacket

Audioholic Intern
Well if the Aluminum serves as a voice coil, wouldn't that be closer to the planar magnetic ribbon configuration? I'm talking more about a pure ribbon, suspended between 2 magnets, through which you pass a current through. If you're designing a Ribbon with a material that has good response all the way up to like 100 Khz, I'm asking if you can use a length/width of maybe something like 25 microns x 15 microns (theoretically), and micron thickness as well. Would you get a much better dispersion for this configuration, because it's much smaller than the wavelength at those high frequencies? What do you think the sensitivity/dispersion would look like?
 

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