avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
I'll be retiring in about 15 to 20 years from now..... I just don't know where else to gamble:confused:. Ive lost almost 45k on my 401k in 2008.:mad:
How could you lose 45k of retirement investing in 2008?

Steve
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
There was a huge market crash in 08, remember?
I remember 2008, I just don't understand how you lose that far from retirement. Was it because of a mistake, as in, panic selling at that time or bad investment strategy/gamble (i.e. housing)?

I manage my own retirement portfolio so I always find investment stuff interesting. Many people I know freak out over market corrections, I see them more as prime investment times and can be good for the long game. They can be bad for some, like those in or at the edge of retirement or if they unexpectedly need to withdraw money.

The frontline video has some very valid points but I think they went "over the top" in a few places, done to get the point across I guess.

Steve
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Yeah, I lost about $25,000 myself. I've got my 401k with a mix of about 25% high risk, 25% low risk and 50% medium risk funds. But I honestly don't look at it much because it depresses me and I don't want to get scared into making a change trying for short term gains. It's coming back though, slowly but surely.
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
I lost about 20K in 2008/9 (on paper only), but I never panicked and sold (in fact, bought more), and now my portfolio gained all that back and 50K more. In fact, a lot of the investments I bought back then are source of the downpayment for my new home. So it just takes some resolve and a little bit of research IMO
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Most of stuff in video not news to me (even as IT, I still work in financial industry I learned a thing or two and No, Not the one manages your 401k :) ) - but compound fees - thats always the reality call shocker. It's simply mind boggling how much that 2% fee can be over long time periods....
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Most of stuff in video not news to me (even as IT, I still work in financial industry I learned a thing or two and No, Not the one manages your 401k :) ) - but compound fees - thats always the reality call shocker. It's simply mind boggling how much that 2% fee can be over long time periods....
My finance guys recommends funds that are old and consistent. Aim for 12 percent. Pick at least 4 funds for diversity. Load your 401k up to the match and then pick use Roth IRAs so you have maximum flexibility. I highly recommend My Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey. It's really simple, but very effective in getting you organized on all fronts.
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
Most of stuff in video not news to me (even as IT, I still work in financial industry I learned a thing or two and No, Not the one manages your 401k :) ) - but compound fees - thats always the reality call shocker. It's simply mind boggling how much that 2% fee can be over long time periods....
The compound example was one area I wish they would have made more real world. The difference sure looks impressive when you take a bulk amount over 50 years and compare but its not real world. Most young people starting off have a lower salary plus higher expenses so there is less money to invest and they also don't start early enough for 50 years of compounding return. And while they really hit hard against the higher MER mutuals did they provide any research that showed higher returns on any of those funds and are there any? :)

Steve
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Here is my 2 cents for what it is worth.
If you have the flexibility in your 401k, it probably makes sense to look into index funds and Vangard is probably a decent place to start.

However, I think you can actually do the best if you invest directly in company stocks. Utilities are pretty safe and usually pay a decent dividend (though they won't look that great if you simply look at the chart which won't show the yield from the dividend) which is reinvested in buying more stock in a 401k.

Don't make a big research project out of it - you will get analysis paralysis.
Utilities are very safe and larger companies like Boeing, GE, etc are reasonably secure. Stick with companies you know something about and diversify.
Unfortunately, it seems like investing in financial companies is a good plan since they are being subsidized by our tax dollars (bail out, sweet FDIC insurance deal, and protected from their criminal activities by the "too big to fail" attitude the gov has assumed - HSBC should be out of business, but the gov only fined them five weeks profits for laundering billions for drug cartels).

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I am shooting for about 50% index funds and 50% stocks.

Lastly, try to be wary of acting out of emotion. The market is pretty strong right now and seeing the performance over the past quarter often causes us to think "now is a good time to invest" when the market is likely to go back down a bit. There is no secure way to predict this, but if you have a decent sum of money to invest, it may be a good idea to spread investing it over time like putting 1/6 of it in the market on the second Wednesday of each month for the next 6 months. On the whole you are as likely to lose as win with this approach, but it does avoid the risk of investing it all into the market at the peak before an adjustment.
 
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MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
I think many of us took substantial losses in 2008. With the two bear markets I have probably only averaged a 3 percent return over the last 15 years. Just try to maintain a reasonable allocation consistent with the remaining years until expected retirement and avoid unlikely expectations.
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
I am shooting for about 50% index funds and 50% stocks.
Depending on the index funds you're picking, your stocks are dipping into the same pool are they not? If you have S&P500, DOW, NASQ indexes chances are you've covered all the "safe" companies already. I'm not saying stocks are a bad idea, you'll just have a more complex exit strategy when you get close to retire due to potential increased volatility.

Steve
 

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