Remastered Beatles - tech question

itschris

itschris

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I've been reading a lot about the latest remastering of the Beatles catalog. I keep reading a lot of disussion about "limiting." Is that like compression? I really don't understand either.

Why is it used? What are the ill-affects? What changes? What does it do exactly? etc., etc., etc
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I've been reading a lot about the latest remastering of the Beatles catalog. I keep reading a lot of disussion about "limiting." Is that like compression? I really don't understand either.

Why is it used? What are the ill-affects? What changes? What does it do exactly? etc., etc., etc
Compressors and limiters are really the same side of the coin.

Compressors should be used to keep program within the capabilities of the audio chain. They are misused to increase average levels of pop music to make you sound the loudest on the block.

Basically compressors and limiters should be used to avoid overload of the reproducing chain.

For instance AM radio has a very low dynamic range, FM better but still limited.

The LP medium is about 40 db shy of the full dynamic range of a classical performance. CD can handle all put the largest forces without compression.

SACD does not require compression to fit the envelope.

Compressors have a ratio, threshold, attack and release times. So a 10.1 compressor will compress a 10 db dynamic range to 1 db. So a compressor or limiter has a predetermined signal level where it ceases to be a unity gain amplifier. How quickly it reduces the signal is the attack, how quickly it releases back to being a unity gain amplifier is the release.

A skilled engineer, will set a compressor to keep program within the limits of the medium and playback chain, and set attack and release to be least intrusive to the program.

A limiter is setting a compressor with a high threshold, high ratio, fast attack time and medium to fast release time.

Compressors can also be used (misused) to alter the attack of instruments, especially drum sets. That is another story.

This article, may explain things, but this issue is a broad and complex subject.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
The maximum level for a digial sample is 0 dB and if there are N consecutive max value samples, the waveform is said to be 'clipped' (with Sound Forge, N=4). Limiting caps the peaks of a waveform to a certain level so that the waveform doesn't clip.

It's related to compression because compression can easily cause the waveform to clip. Typically the compressor requires 4 parameters: attack, relase, threshold and gain (ratio). Using attack=10 ms, release = 1ms, threshold = -20 dB, and ratio = 10:1, the compressor will increase the level of any sample that rises above -20 db in 10 ms or less and stays at that level for at least 1 ms by 10 dB. When the level of the sample is increased by 10 dB (say its value was -5 dB), it would exceed 0 dB and since you cannot exceed 0 dB, its value gets 'clipped' to 0 dB. Limiting will prevent that so that the audio doesn't end up with multiple 0 dB samples in a row.

In short, it's a technique to make the recording as loud as possible without clipping.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Hmmmm... I sorda get it...

Okay, let me ask you this... When Metallica released their latest album, it was heavily criticized (even in our forum) for being overly compressed. To what end would they do that nowadays? When you compress, are you essentially cutting off the top and bottom ranges of the frequency range ... basically cutting out the highest of the highs and lowest of the lows?

You mentioned instruments. Is this the same kind of compression that I have for my electric guitar? I know it does something, and I use it, but I never really understood what it was doing to the sound.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Hmmmm... I sorda get it...

Okay, let me ask you this... When Metallica released their latest album, it was heavily criticized (even in our forum) for being overly compressed. To what end would they do that nowadays? When you compress, are you essentially cutting off the top and bottom ranges of the frequency range ... basically cutting out the highest of the highs and lowest of the lows?

You mentioned instruments. Is this the same kind of compression that I have for my electric guitar? I know it does something, and I use it, but I never really understood what it was doing to the sound.
No, you have not got the concept.

Compressors and limiters are not frequency dependent usually, purely signal level dependent.

All they are, are variable negative gain amplifiers whose threshold (voltage at which negative gain starts to be applied), degree of negative level dependent on signal voltage, attack and release times can be varied.

Frequency does not come into it. However there are frequency selective compressors about. For instance in LP mastering, there is a limit to bass amplitude, as you get groove "kissing." So this requires a limiter that can reduce LF dynamics preferentially.

The obverse of a compressor by the way is an expander, which has variable positive gain, with the same types of adjustments.
 
FeisalK

FeisalK

Junior Audioholic
Okay, let me ask you this... When Metallica released their latest album, it was heavily criticized (even in our forum) for being overly compressed. To what end would they do that nowadays? When you compress, are you essentially cutting off the top and bottom ranges of the frequency range ... basically cutting out the highest of the highs and lowest of the lows?
perhaps this article (and video) will help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
 
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