Records at 45 vs 33

[Revelation]

I have seen several new records of artist that have the records at 45 vs 33. I know with the faster speed the clarity is suppose to be better. Similar with reel to reel machines when they record at faster speed. The new Pink Floyd at Knebworth is one record at the 45 speed. What are your thoughts of having records at 45? Granted if you have more than several songs, you would need to make it a double lp.

 

[Replicant 7]

Speaking of clarity with vinyl, what ever happened with the HD vinyl that was supposed to come out?

 

[lovinthehd]

It's generally a tradeoff for recording time as you've noted. Not particularly "clarity", just can enable higher fidelity (things like snr, wow & flutter and frequency response). Depends how it's actually used, but generally an advantage to put less content on vinyl and/or increase the speed. I haven't bought new vinyl in something like 25 years so really doesn't matter to me, I'll take the inherent higher fidelity of digital and just use the vinyl for nostalgia....and not have to worry about getting up to to flip the rather short playing vinyl in a general sense.

 

[MaxInValrico]

I have seen several new records of artist that have the records at 45 vs 33. I know with the faster speed the clarity is suppose to be better. Similar with reel to reel machines when they record at faster speed. The new Pink Floyd at Knebworth is one record at the 45 speed. What are your thoughts of having records at 45? Granted if you have more than several songs, you would need to make it a double lp.

Well, back in the days when there were only vinyl and 8-tracks, LPs were typically cut for 33RPMs and singles were 45RPMs. Prior to that (40s and early 50s) records were cut at 78RPMs. I have a number of 78s that were all big band and jazz that I took from my Dad's collection, unfortunately, I have nothing to play them on.

 

[3db]

I have seen several new records of artist that have the records at 45 vs 33. I know with the faster speed the clarity is suppose to be better. Similar with reel to reel machines when they record at faster speed. The new Pink Floyd at Knebworth is one record at the 45 speed. What are your thoughts of having records at 45? Granted if you have more than several songs, you would need to make it a double lp.

The Canadian band Metric released their last album in a 45 rpm format and it came out as a double LP set. I have it. The advantages of 45 rpm are supposed cleaner groove cuts and a lower noise floor.

 

[TLS Guy]

Well, back in the days when there were only vinyl and 8-tracks, LPs were typically cut for 33RPMs and singles were 45RPMs. Prior to that (40s and early 50s) records were cut at 78RPMs. I have a number of 78s that were all big band and jazz that I took from my Dad's collection, unfortunately, I have nothing to play them on.

This is what you need!

LP and 78 heads slide on and off.

The 1960s Quad 22 tube preamp has the correct Eq codes for pretty much all 78 RPM records produced.

 

[TLS Guy]

I have seen several new records of artist that have the records at 45 vs 33. I know with the faster speed the clarity is suppose to be better. Similar with reel to reel machines when they record at faster speed. The new Pink Floyd at Knebworth is one record at the 45 speed. What are your thoughts of having records at 45? Granted if you have more than several songs, you would need to make it a double lp.

12" 45 RPM records have appeared on and off over the years, but largely off. It does ameliorate to some extent the decline in quality on the inside grooves, due to the slower speed under the stylus on the inside grooves. But you sacrifice too much playing time. Well mastered and cut 33 1/3 RPM discs play just fine with good playback equipment.

 

[3db]

12" 45 RPM records have appeared on and off over the years, but largely off. It does ameliorate to some extent the decline in quality on the inside grooves, due to the slower speed under the stylus on the inside grooves. But you sacrifice too much playing time. Well mastered and cut 33 1/3 RPM discs play just fine with good playback equipment.

If one doesn't mind getting up twice as often to change sides, then its a win scenario to have the faster playback speed.

 

[kevintomb]

12" 45 RPM records have appeared on and off over the years, but largely off. It does ameliorate to some extent the decline in quality on the inside grooves, due to the slower speed under the stylus on the inside grooves. But you sacrifice too much playing time. Well mastered and cut 33 1/3 RPM discs play just fine with good playback equipment.

I think the speed is the same on inner or outer grooves, but the radius of the actual groove becomes "Compacted" smaller and smaller as we hit the inner grooves.

But being closer to the center also makes the "Relative" speed change (as you said) and again less space to put the signal into the groove.

Wow, surprising records sound even fairly good at all.>!