Recommendations/Suggestions???

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techigirl78

Junior Audioholic
Hopefully you all will be able to give me some suggestions/recommendations. I am planning on upgrading my 32" Sony Wega to the 50" Hitachi UltraVision CineForm LCD HDTV. Before upgrading my television, I want to get new a/v receiver, speakers, and DVD player. Here's the specs:

1. Budget: Approximately $3000
2. # Speakers: Unsure - 5.1 versus 7.1
3. Usage: 45% Movies (horror/sci-fi/fantasy/etc.), 15% Sports, 15% Video Games (PS2), 15% music (rock/techno/etc.)
4. Room Specs: 17.5'l x 13.5'w x 8'h
5. Room Purpose: HT and Fish Room (125 gallon & 90 gallon tanks)
6. 1-3 people typically watching/listening

I looked at the HTIB options, but nothing really stood out. After checking out the klipsch, polk, infinity, and boston acoutics speakers, I am leaning towards the klipsch. Recommendations???

Also, anyone know how much the fish tanks will mess with the acoustics? I keep reading that windows should be covered with curtains, but I can't image putting curtains on my tanks. Any thoughts? I really would like my tv, stereo, and fish tank in the same room, but I don't want an acoustic nightmare. The room has 3 concrete walls with textured paint, 1 tongue/groove wall, 1 tongue/groove ceiling, and carpeted floor with ultra padding (concrete underneath).
 
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sjdgpt

Senior Audioholic
The glass walls of the tanks are going to play havoc with the rooms accoustics.

As you know, the general reason for the suggestion of curtains over glass is to absorb the sound that would be reflected from the glass.

But, you have one good thing going for you in this situation, sound is absorbed by mass, and your 200+ gallons of water weighs well over 1700 pounds.

Thats some mass!!!!

And while the sound is going to reflect from the glass surfaces, the amount and frequency of the sound will be far different than the typical glass window. Why? Because high frequency sound waves are readily absorbed by water. A good example of this would be to tap an empty tank with a metal spoon, and then the same with a tank filled with water. The empty tank rings with a "high" pitch, while the full tank has an attenuated low pitched "thud".


My only suggestion is diffusion in the area of the tanks. A lush tropical forest of plants around the tanks could possibly work (if the leaf structure was dense enough), and the fish would not mind the change of scenery.

The concrete walls will also be a potential source of reflection problems.

It may be easier to dampen/diffuse the reflections from the concrete walls ( I like bookcases with lots of books and stuff), in which case the reflections from the fish tanks may not be as detrimental to the sound as first thought.

Remember, we don't want a dead sounding room, rather a room with a balance of absorbtion and reflection.


Speakers, some speakers, such as the Klipsch, have a bright, vivid sound, that may not perform well in a bright lively room. That said, the setup equalizer on many receivers can solve that problem, so the best advice is buy what you like.

I would look to purchase a better sounding/performing 5.1 system, rather than a 7.1 system. The mid sized room is better suited to a 5.1 system, and the best advice I have read is that a good 5.1 system will always perform/sound better than a lesser quality 7.1 system, especially in a small or midsized room. Besides, you could always add the 2 extra speakers at a later date.

By the way, I own Polk LSi's. My previous sytem had 20 year old Infinity's. If you purchased a Polk LSi system, it could set you back $2000 or more. The LSi's could reachable within your budget. But whatever you do, all the speakers listed are of good quality, have a strong reputation, and many loyal (repeat) customers.
 
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Leprkon

Audioholic General
with that budget, you should be able to get some really great sound. start with a receiver like a Denon 3805 ($ 900 if you're a good shopper) or 2805 ($ 700) or a Yamaha RX-V2500 ($ 700).

You might not want to pair the Yammie with Klipsch. Historically they both have a lot of high-freq ("bright" sound), although Ray, a professional HT installer from RLA (look for him in the members list as RLA), states in an earlier post:

"Hi
I have currently have the 2500 driving the Klipsch Flagship RF-7 system
I have had the 3805 , 56TXI and Sherwood Newcastle connected to this same system
Yamaha has completeley redesigned there amp section and it sounds no more forward than any of the receivers mentioned above I will tell you that the 2500 is a better overall receiver than the three mentioned above and its analog pre-out are the quietest I have heard on any receiver
I would choose the 2500 over the 3805 for any speaker system"


Anyway, you should spend most of the rest of your money on speakers. With the possibility of a new format coming as soon as the end of the year (Blue-Ray or HDDVD), plunking big bucks into a DVD player like the Denon 2910 is not a wise investment. If you have any SACD or DVD-audio, you can get really good "universal" units from Onkyo or Yamaha for about $ 300 or for about $ 120 you can pick up the Pioneer 578.

For speakers, you might consider looking at Axioms or some of the Rocket line. Both have very competitive packages in the $ 2K range and have been well-regarded in earlier posts.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/epic60.html

http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=13.1

you could also go to onecall and put together a package of the Infinity Kappa series. they are an older design, but extremely well-made.

http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=13.1

http://ww2.onecall.com/PID_22931.htm

http://ww2.onecall.com/PID_22956.htm



In any case, you might want to consider picking up a subwoofer from HSU or Outlaw, as none of these companies are particularly noted for their subs.
 
Karp

Karp

Audioholic
Have you listened to Paradigm speakers? I find their mid-priced Monitor line to sound better than all but the RF-5 /7 in the Klipsch Reference line (where I find them very close). The more expensive Reference line is much better than the Klipsch. The Klipsch are more efficient however, and the horn does a great job with vocals on the center channel.

The Dennon 2805 or Yamaha 2500 would be a good fit for the size of the room, although I do not find Yamaha to be a great match if you decide on the Klipsch.
 
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techigirl78

Junior Audioholic
Thanks for the info.

I was planning on building a cabinet/canopy for below/above the 125 gallon tank. Now I am thinking that I could design it so that it also functions as a 2D/3D Diffuser. Thoughts?

The other tank is a bit confusing, as I forgot to mention that glass on the front of the tank is s-shaped. Would this minimize the impact?

I found a place that sells Paradigm speakers, but they are not open until Tuesday. I will go check them out this week.

Thanks!
 
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Fudge

Audiophyte
Although people are probably going to jump all over me for this one, I personally, recommend the Yammie RX-V2500, with the HT-808 system from Streem (www.stationstreet.ca). I know, I know, these speakers aren't huge name (yet) but trust me when I say, they sound INCREDIBLE! And the customer service is second to none! It's my current setup...and with the money I saved, I'm getting a kick-a$$ sub!
Just another route to go down, if you so choose. ;)
Good Luck
 
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