Recommendation Request

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tmd820

Audiophyte
I am currently building a new house with a 17x23 bonus room that is wired for 7.1 surround. I am thinking of getting the Energy Take Classic 5.0 speakers to use as the surrounds and the Klipsch SW-350 sub. I don't have a receiver picked out yet, but my question is what would be a good pair of floorstanding speakers (in the $200/ea range) to integrate with this set up? Thanks!
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I would reconsider whole budget and setup...
Both Energy TC 5 and SW-350 are pretty weak components
Before we recommended anything specific, lets start by you letting us know your total expected budget for the HT

But from your selections and question it seems like Pioneer speakers are much better fit for your budget and needs (except sub)

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SuperZero 2.0 are nice but harder to integrate with cheaper sub due to high roll-off - about 120hz
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR - are very often sold for $99/pair on amazon and have lower roll-off and arguably flatter response.

But ADTG is right. Good Bookshelves with good subs are better value vs towers
 
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sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I disagree with the premise that floor standing speakers have nothing to offer, although bookshelves are often a better value. First towers allow you to cross over to the subwoofer far lower than the far less than optimal 120hz of small satellites, and generally speaking they'll allow you to better fill a larger room. Crossing over to the sub above 80hz creates an audio ping pong effect where you can hear the source shift from the speakers to the subwoofer and back. By crossing over below 80hz you eliminate that effect. It doesn't bother everyone but I dislike it and suggest that you go with speakers capable of producing solid output down to at least 80hz and 60hz would be better - even if it means starting with a good quality 2.1 or 3.1 system and adding speakers as money allows. In a 17 x 23' room you should be fine with more capable bookshelves. If you can swing it I'd go with a 5.1 system based on Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE bookshelves as mains (L & R fronts) and the center and their HTM-200 speakers as surrounds, though you may be able to get away with their CBM-170 SE bookshelves as mains. If you can't swing the Ascends then I'd look at the Pioneers that Bored suggested and then put as much as you can into the subwoofer.

I do agree with the others that Klipsch sub isn't a good choice. Assuming a 9' ceiling that room is roughly 3500 cubic feet (plus any spaces open to the room) and that requires a very capable subwoofer. I'd contact Hsu Research and SVSounds and have them size a subwoofer to the room.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I disagree with the premise that floor standing speakers have nothing to offer,
No one said floor standing speakers had nothing to offer. What was said was that they are not necessary. And bookshelf speakers are a better value.

although bookshelves are often a better value. First towers allow you to cross over to the subwoofer far lower than the far less than optimal 120hz of small satellites, and generally speaking they'll allow you to better fill a larger room. Crossing over to the sub above 80hz creates an audio ping pong effect where you can hear the source shift from the speakers to the subwoofer and back. By crossing over below 80hz you eliminate that effect. It doesn't bother everyone but I dislike it and suggest that you go with speakers capable of producing solid output down to at least 80hz and 60hz would be better - even if it means starting with a good quality 2.1 or 3.1 system and adding speakers as money allows. In a 17 x 23' room you should be fine with more capable bookshelves. If you can swing it I'd go with a 5.1 system based on Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE bookshelves as mains (L & R fronts) and the center and their HTM-200 speakers as surrounds, though you may be able to get away with their CBM-170 SE bookshelves as mains. If you can't swing the Ascends then I'd look at the Pioneers that Bored suggested and then put as much as you can into the subwoofer.

I do agree with the others that Klipsch sub isn't a good choice. Assuming a 9' ceiling that room is roughly 3500 cubic feet (plus any spaces open to the room) and that requires a very capable subwoofer. I'd contact Hsu Research and SVSounds and have them size a subwoofer to the room.
I agree with you that it is a good idea to get main speakers that allow a lower crossover than 120 Hz. Capable bookshelf speakers, as you say, can do that, and that is what I recommend for someone on a tight budget (up to several thousands of dollars, actually).

I also agree that it is a good idea to go with 2.1 or 3.1 for now if there will be more money in the future. That way, there is an easy and efficient upgrade path, instead of having to get rid of lesser speakers when one upgrades, which almost always means a loss of money into the final system. It is for this reason that I also recommend to people that they generally start with one good subwoofer, instead of two lesser ones. The upgrade path then involves simply buying another identical subwoofer, instead of replacing both of the lesser ones.

Naturally, such advice is predicated on the idea that there will be more money in the future for upgrades, but that is very commonly the case.

And with the budget we are talking about (Take 5 plus $400), I would absolutely not go with a 7.1 system, as it would be better to buy 5.1 better speakers than to spread the money to two more speakers, even if there will never be an upgrade. In most cases, the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 is less than dramatic, even with 7.1 sources, but higher quality speakers will make a difference with everything.

I think it would be a good idea to look at the total budget, along with whatever is already owned, and what sorts of things one expects to get from the system (e.g., what sources are desired, etc.), and whether there will ever be more money in the future.
 
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tmd820

Audiophyte
Thank you all very much for your feedback. I have about $1,000 (with some flexibility) to spend on just the speakers (excluding the receiver). The ceiling height is 10 ft., but it slopes about 18 inches to the walls. The wiring for the surrounds is in the slope part of the ceiling. That is why I want to do smaller satellites for the surround because I need to mount the bracket on the slope.
How do the Pioneer's compare to the Infinity Primus P253's? The Crutchfield advisor said that the sound from the Infinity's matches better with the Take Classic's. How about the Klipsch Quintet's?
 
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jcunwired

Audioholic
An option commonly recommended is Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE, and either of their smaller bookshelf speakers for surrounds. I have a pair of 340s in a 2 channel setup and am pleased.
 
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Irishman

Audioholic
I agree with BoredSysAdmin's suggestion about the Pioneer Sp-BS22-LR bookshelves. Be sure to leave room in your budget for non-trivial things like stands for them. Contrary to their name (bookshelves), a bookshelf is among the worst places you can place them. Keep in mind that they're rear-ported, so don't just shove that ported rear cabinet against the wall, because it will change the audio tonally.

Also, jcunwired's recommendation of the Ascend CMT-340 is also solid, and is a sealed design, so you can be more flexible with positioning. Although, depending on your budget, you could do a whole room full of the Pioneers with the budget of the pair of CMT-340s.
 
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jcunwired

Audioholic
Correction. The CMT-340 SE and CMB-170 SE are rear ported designs. Both the 170 and Ascend HTM-200 SE are commonly recommended for surrounds, only the HTMs are sealed. I can't speak for the smaller pairs, but the 340s are relatively friendly with placement.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
My advice would be to wait out Pioneer Sp-BS22-LR till on sale for $100/pair. Get a matching center for another $80 (then on sale)
and this sub:
VTF-3 MK4 Subwoofer

These pioneers speakers are significantly better than P253, Take classic and Quintet's, but Ascend are better speakers but cost more.

Your room is too large for Energy Tc to be effective.

p.s:
If would get a dollar for every useless advice from B&M store salesman, I'd be a billionaire
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
My advice would be to wait out Pioneer Sp-BS22-LR till on sale for $100/pair. Get a matching center for another $80 (then on sale)
and this sub:
VTF-3 MK4 Subwoofer

These pioneers speakers are significantly better than P253, Take classic and Quintet's, but Ascend are better speakers but cost more.

Your room is too large for Energy Tc to be effective.

p.s:
If would get a dollar for every useless advice from B&M store salesman, I'd be a billionaire
Plus 1 on everything that BSA says. The one thing that is going to really make the most difference in a room that size is a great subwoofer. If the budget were a bit higher then I'd start looking for better speakers (Ascend) but the Pioneers should be just fine given the budget constraints.
 
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