Reciever Suggestion Disapointments...

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Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
I am currantly shopping for a new reciever to replace my outdated onkyo. I love the onkyo and would definatly get anouther, the only reason i am replacing it is because i got a new LG 30" wide screen with hdmi....

anyhow ive searched and read alot of reciever treads on here and almost none of them recomend any Outlaw... why is that?

from everything ive read i am torn between the Onkyo sr804 or a combo from Outlaw... probally the 970 PrePro/7125 Pwr Amp for 1500 thats a KILLER set up i think...

anyhow just wondering what you guys have to say about Outlaw and why they are suggested much...
 
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Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
btw my currant onkyo is a ts-dx777

and id really REALLY like to run at 4 Ohms
 
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angstadt530

Audioholic
Outlaw doesn't offer HDMI switching yet. They only have DVI inputs/outputs. If you like your Onkyo, I would get one of the new Onkyos that offers HDMI switching.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
The Outlaw should equal the competition from Yamaha, Onkyo and Denon. A good receiver just like the rest. Find the receiver that has the features you need and is in your budget and go for it.

Nick
 
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Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
now that the 804 has been out for a little bit... just wanting to refresh this topic
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
You listed the reason for replacing your current receiver as HDMI but you did not specify what benifit you plan on getting or added features that you plan to use with HDMI:confused:
 
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Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
well eventually after the format wars ill get a hidef player (probably bluray) and one hdmi for the sat box....

and to answer the ohm question.. ill have better speakers in the end and i want to run them at 4 ohms for more power, or would it make more sense to use an amp and 8 ohms?
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
and to answer the ohm question.. ill have better speakers in the end and i want to run them at 4 ohms for more power, or would it make more sense to use an amp and 8 ohms?
It makes the most sense to choose the speakers that sound the best to you that are in your budget. If those speakers present a difficult load, then you should consider what amplification you require.
 
Thunder18

Thunder18

Senior Audioholic
The upcoming Onkyo 805 already supports HDMI v1.3. That's about up to date as you can currently get and it should be able to decode the new dolby and dts HD audio formats on hd-dvd's and blu-rays. It also weighs 50.9 lbs, that usually indicates a beefy power supply and amplifier section.
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
and to answer the ohm question.. ill have better speakers in the end and i want to run them at 4 ohms for more power, or would it make more sense to use an amp and 8 ohms?
You get more power with 4 ohm speakers simply because they require more current from the receiver. That does not mean that 4 ohm speakers necessarily play louder. If a 4 ohm and an 8 ohm speaker both have the same sensitivity, then the only difference is that the 4 ohm requires more power. The loudness will be the same.

If the 4 ohm speakers were rated using the standard measurement then you have to subtract 3 dB from their stated sensitivity to arrive at the same number of an 8 ohm speaker.

Long story short is that you don't 'run' speakers at 4 ohms or any other number - they are what they are. Don't buy a speaker just because it is 4 ohms, buy one that you like the sound of and if it just happens to be 4 ohm then get an amp or receiver that can handle it.
 
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Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
You get more power with 4 ohm speakers simply because they require more current from the receiver. That does not mean that 4 ohm speakers necessarily play louder. If a 4 ohm and an 8 ohm speaker both have the same sensitivity, then the only difference is that the 4 ohm requires more power. The loudness will be the same.

If the 4 ohm speakers were rated using the standard measurement then you have to subtract 3 dB from their stated sensitivity to arrive at the same number of an 8 ohm speaker.

Long story short is that you don't 'run' speakers at 4 ohms or any other number - they are what they are. Don't buy a speaker just because it is 4 ohms, buy one that you like the sound of and if it just happens to be 4 ohm then get an amp or receiver that can handle it.
i see ok ...

ill probally either try to find some older NHTs on like audiogon or some acends(sp?)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
You get more power with 4 ohm speakers simply because they require more current from the receiver. That does not mean that 4 ohm speakers necessarily play louder. If a 4 ohm and an 8 ohm speaker both have the same sensitivity, then the only difference is that the 4 ohm requires more power. The loudness will be the same.

If the 4 ohm speakers were rated using the standard measurement then you have to subtract 3 dB from their stated sensitivity to arrive at the same number of an 8 ohm speaker.

Long story short is that you don't 'run' speakers at 4 ohms or any other number - they are what they are. Don't buy a speaker just because it is 4 ohms, buy one that you like the sound of and if it just happens to be 4 ohm then get an amp or receiver that can handle it.
Just a friendly reminder, I am sure you know P=I^2R (assume pure resistive load for now). As you said, a 4 ohm load will draw twice as much current as an 8 ohm load hence twice the power because 2X2(I^2)X0.5 (4ohms/8ohms)=2. However, that's assuming the applied voltage is the same. That does not mean a 4 ohm speaker needs twice the power to sound as loud as an 8 ohm speaker.

In the example you used, the 4 ohm speaker and 8 ohm speakers have the same sensitivity, say both are 90 dB/Watt at 1 meter. By definition, both speaker will give you 90 dB for each watt you feed them. In this case, the 4 ohm speaker will draw more power only if you want it to sound louder than the 8 ohm speaker. For them to sound equally loud, both should draw the same power. The 4 ohm speaker will draw 1.414 (sq.root 2) or 41.4% higher current, but same power. In other words, you won't get twice the current because the applied voltage you need for the 4 ohm speaker to produce the same 90 dB SPL will be reduced.
 
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