checkout accessories4less.com for a Marantz 7500 for $650 or the 8500 for $899. THe 7500 is a really good deal at that price IMO. I'd rather have either of those receivers than the ones listed. I have an 8400 (a year older), and every complaint I had (only about options not power or quality) have been addressed. On the same website the Onkyo 803 is $649. It is a refurb, but comes with the 1 year warranty directly from Onkyo.