Receivers with equalizer or preamp out

[larrylwill]

Do receivers such as the Onyko 606 that has a equalizer work in Dolby digital?
I have a Pioneer that has bass and treble controls, but when I switch to Dolby digital it locks out the controls. They do not work in Dolby. I want to be able to jack up the treble.

Do the amps with pre amp output also have power amp inputs so I could add an equlizer? Would they work in Dolby?

What are some receivers with pre amp power amp splits?

thank you

 

[jamie2112]

Why are you jacking up the treble? It sounds like your speakers are not happening for you.....

 

[highfigh]

Do receivers such as the Onyko 606 that has a equalizer work in Dolby digital?
I have a Pioneer that has bass and treble controls, but when I switch to Dolby digital it locks out the controls. They do not work in Dolby. I want to be able to jack up the treble.

Do the amps with pre amp output also have power amp inputs so I could add an equlizer? Would they work in Dolby?

What are some receivers with pre amp power amp splits?

thank you

Equalizers aren't made to go in the pre-out/power amp in chain. They're made to go where the signal level changes due to the recording, not the volume control. It may work, but it's not the right way to connect it.

If you need more treble, you may want to add tweeters. Or, you may want to stop using the Dolby Digital. Changing the receiver will work, but that doesn't take into account that you really like your receiver or just don't want to change it.

 

[WmAx]

Equalizers aren't made to go in the pre-out/power amp in chain. They're made to go where the signal level changes due to the recording, not the volume control. It may work, but it's not the right way to connect it.

There are solutions that can be used between pre-out and amp-in. The Behringer DCX2496 was made for this very use - though it is a digital crossover system - it has a powerful EQ system also.

-Chris

 

[larrylwill]

Why are you jacking up the treble? It sounds like your speakers are not happening for you.....

When you get to 63 and your high freq hearing goes go, get back to me.
My speakers are decent Harmon Kardon with sub

My wife can hear the highs but I cant, still think better speakers will help? My system is close to flat but I just cant hear it?
Do all good speakers, sound the same to everyone? One can spend $$$$ to get a flat system but it doesn't take into account we all don't have flat hearing. For some of us a cheap speaker with sub woofer sounds way better than some expensive flat system. I'm trying to match my hearing curve. If a system doesn't sound good to me, it aint good.

I used to have an old amp that I had an equalizer in between the pre/power amp. It worked ok.

I do want a better amp. Mine doesn't have HDMI inputs and now I need 3.

Thanks for the answers.

 

[jamie2112]

When you get to 63 and your high freq hearing goes go, get back to me.
My speakers are decent Harmon Kardon with sub

My wife can hear the highs but I cant, still think better speakers will help? My system is close to flat but I just cant hear it?
Do all good speakers, sound the same to everyone? One can spend $$$$ to get a flat system but it doesn't take into account we all don't have flat hearing. For some of us a cheap speaker with sub woofer sounds way better than some expensive flat system. I'm trying to match my hearing curve. If a system doesn't sound good to me, it aint good.

I used to have an old amp that I had an equalizer in between the pre/power amp. It worked ok.

I do want a better amp. Mine doesn't have HDMI inputs and now I need 3.

Thanks for the answers.

Sorry I didn't think about hearing loss. Stupid me. There are a wide variety of eq's out there. Chris mentioned a great one and there are also 31 band graphic eq's you could run between your pre and amp like this one:http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFBQ3102

 

[Midcow2]

Ease up!

When you get to 63 and your high freq hearing goes go, get back to me.
My speakers are decent Harmon Kardon with sub

My wife can hear the highs but I cant, still think better speakers will help? My system is close to flat but I just cant hear it?
Do all good speakers, sound the same to everyone? One can spend $$$$ to get a flat system but it doesn't take into account we all don't have flat hearing. For some of us a cheap speaker with sub woofer sounds way better than some expensive flat system. I'm trying to match my hearing curve. If a system doesn't sound good to me, it aint good. ...

Hey Larry I am almost there less than 2 years to go. Leave everything flat and forget the equalizers. Good speakers absolutely make a difference.

No,not all speakers sound the same to everyone; you need to audition and select what sounds good to you.

There is no way a cheap speaker with a sub-woofer sounds good!

But the bottom line is you are right, it needs to sound good to you.

Good Luck!

MidCow2

P.S. - Just a piece of advice, get the chip off your shoulder and you will get lots of EXCELLENT help.

 

[larrylwill]

jamie: What would I have to have to use one of those equlizers? An AVR with pre/power in/outs?
thanks

midcow2:
I have bad tinnitus in both ears, its louder than any noise I can hear although my ears are still pretty sensitive to low noises. Life with multiple frequebcies in my ears is no picnic. I also have a roll off of highs starting at 8khz, speakers arn't going to cut it unless they can make up 10db or so of highs I'm missing at 10khz. Mostley from shooting in the Army in my right ear. When I was younger I could hear those ultrasonic alarms in stores around 18khz to 19khz.
Besides my speakers are decent I just bought them. I'm not a purest I just want to hear the highs. I can't hear my grandfather clock tick in my right ear. I can barely hear a wrist watch in my left one and forget about it in my right one.
I have earphones through a equalizer and can make them sound pretty good. Although not in surround sound.

 

[Exit]

Some receivers allow you to select between an (automatic) parametric equalizer and a traditional equalizer. You might want to check your receiver manual to see if you have that option. You might want to use test tones and a RS SPL meter to see if your system is fairly flat frequency response or maybe it is not delivering the normal high frequency response too. My speakers have toggle switches for switching on a 3dB boost in treble and or midrange, so you might want to check for that feature. If you decide to relace any speakers, most people on the sight agree that Klipsch speakers emphasize the high frequencies so they might be a candidate for you.

By the way I also have some hearing loss in one ear from a scuba diving ear infection. I usually just play the sound louder to compensate.

 

[WmAx]

Hey Larry I am almost there less than 2 years to go. Leave everything flat and forget the equalizers. Good speakers absolutely make a difference.

To follow this suggestion is to largely choose speakers based upon their inherent EQ! The logical and efficient solution is to pick the most neutral/accurate speaker to begin with and then apply the EXACT equalizer curve that one desires by way of hardware. Of course, in the case of the OP, the speaker also needs one more consideration: ample treble output ability to allow for the treble boost to operate without damaging the tweeters.
As an example, a B&W 802D pair + DSP EQ + ideal room acoustics could be made to result in ideal sound for just about anyone. It may be costly, but very high neutrality speakers are not cheap. But there are varying degrees of compromise one can make, still choosing the most nuetral/accurate speaker set in a given price range and applying the same concept to get the best sound in that budget range. The 802D example is just an example of this taken to maximum potential.

-Chris

 

[larrylwill]

thanks for the reply's, Since I just purchased a new 67" tv last week and new speakers, 6 months ago, and I also need to buy a new amp with HDMI inputs. Now everyone is recommending I buy more new speakers.
This sounds more like building a new PC, new cpu, different socket so it needs a new mb different kind of memory socket so it needs new memory, different video socket so it needs new video card.
I have spent enough, I'm not going to buy more new speakers at $500 + There is no end and I'm not a purest. I use it 99% for TV. Even the TV has an audio equalizer but it doesn't work through the optical output in Dolby.
So my original question, will the audio equlizer in the Onkyo 606 work on dilby SS.

thank you