Reasonable speaker solution for both movies and music?

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bobloblaw

Audiophyte
Good people,

I'm looking for a compact and relatively cheap ($500-700) surround sound system that can function well in my small (11'x15') studio apartment. Problem is, I'd like to find a system that would be above average for both music and movies. I love watching movies, but music to me is equally, if not more, important. Any suggestions? Should I go for some of the sets being talked about - HSU Ventriloquist, Athena Micra 6 - or build everything piece by piece? The system as it's shaping up right now is:

Receiver - Onkyo TX-SR604
DVD/CD - Oppo DV-981HD

All advice/input is much appreciated. Thanks.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Compared to the satellite systems, I will have to second the Onyx package.
 
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bobloblaw

Audiophyte
Thanks for the input, zumbo and j_garcia. Point taken about the price. I guess I should say that I'm aiming for a decent sound without breaking the bank. The X-series looks great, though I'm a little surprised the sensitivity is only 87db. What do you make of the Cerwin Vega CVHD line (http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4148797) as compared to the X-series?
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
3" drivers don't do it for me. They only go down to 150Hz. Not gonna cut it.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
87 isn't bad at all. If you are looking for something that is going to be a solid performer, you'll want some bookshelf speakers that go to around 60-70Hz at least. Anything that has a -3dB limit of 100Hz or higher is pretty much useless.

The Infiniy Primus line (think 150s or 160s) is also on clearance at most places right now, so you should be able to either piece together a system or find a package deal on them real cheap and they should do the trick too.
 
sbader2

sbader2

Junior Audioholic
I have to agree that you can't do much better than Onix for that price range. If you're worried about the sensitivity you can use X-CS speakers which are rated at 90.5 db. I have 3 of those for my fronts and they sound wonderful. My room is just about the exact same size as yours and I doubt you will have any problem with them. If you wanted to use 5 X-CS speakers that would be just fine, that comes out to $700 plus shipping. You can also go with 3 X-CS and 2 X-LS for the rears which would bring you down to $640 plus shipping.
 
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billnchristy

Senior Audioholic
I have a 14x18 (I think everytime I mention my room size it changes...sorry, short memory it is somewhere between 13x18-15x18...some day this will come up) with X-LS/CS and X-sub. I used to use a Sony reciever rated at 100x5 and am now using a yamaha rated at 110x7, the system can go well into the 100dB range at about -15 or so on the knob...worry not about the sensitivity.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
sbader2 said:
I have to agree that you can't do much better than Onix for that price range. If you're worried about the sensitivity you can use X-CS speakers which are rated at 90.5 db. I have 3 of those for my fronts and they sound wonderful. My room is just about the exact same size as yours and I doubt you will have any problem with them. If you wanted to use 5 X-CS speakers that would be just fine, that comes out to $700 plus shipping. You can also go with 3 X-CS and 2 X-LS for the rears which would bring you down to $640 plus shipping.

Good catch. I like the idea of the three x-cs up front.

$835.00 for three x-cs, 2 x-ls,and 1 x-sub

$894.00 for the complete x-cs system:
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=93.1

The x-cs system may be(edit) worth the extra money. That's only $128 for four extra 6.5"s. This is how it begins.:D

I just noticed the FR of the x-ls is down to 55Hz, while the x-cs is 65Hz. Might be better off with the original idea at a cost of $766. It's a toss-up. FR or dB.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The X-CSs are sealed vs the X-LS being vented, so they don't go as low.
 
sbader2

sbader2

Junior Audioholic
With a good sub, though, youre probably not going to need to go any lower than what the X-CS gives you. With that being said, I still would like to compare them with the X-LS (sealed vs. ported), just waiting until I have room for those as surrounds. I doubt that I'll be able to tell a difference but I'm sure others can.

P.S. I didn't notice it before but I love the original posters name, one of my favorite shows is arrested development... time to go read the bobloblaw law blog :)
 
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bobloblaw

Audiophyte
Thanks for your comments, everyone. I will chill on the sensitivity issue. There was also a suggestion on another thread similar to what sbader2 was saying - that is, using more center channel speakers; the model suggested was the Athena C5, whcih is currently on sale on AA for 75 bones. Not too bad at all, definitely an option (though mounting the centers as rear speakers would be a pain, I'd imagine). The Infinity Primus series would seem to do the trick as well, but doesn't quite have the best characteristics compared to either the Athenas or the X-series...

After mulling all of this over, I'm actually now leaning towards eschewing a sub alltogether, getting a decent pair of fronts and maybe using three C5s to round out the system. Reason being, I'm not a believer in subwoofers being able to create a realistic soundstage, particularly for music applications in spaces with furniture obstruction issues, as in most NYC stuio apartments. Plus, having all those frequencies emanating from one place is bound to piss off my neighbor downstairs and the guy in the adjacent apartment with the crazy girlfriend.

Alternatively, the Yamaha YSP 1000, which one can find on ebay and audiogon for around 700-800 bucks, could be a solution because of the space saving design (would require a sub though...). But while I'm reasonably sure it'll perform ok for simulating surround for movies, I wonder how well it can actually perform in a 2-channel music scenario, considering that the phyisical separation is basically nil.

So then, I am off to do some in-person research.

PS: Arrested Development is an excellent show and Bob Loblaw has got to be one of the best character names in TV history.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
LFE, is LFE. No matter whether it is coming from the mains, or a sub. Powered subs take the strain off of a receiver. Also, the cost of floorstanders that can handle LFE will be much more than the systems recommended in this thread. There is an option of floorstanders with powered subs, but the cost factor will not justify the purchase. And, there is a placement issue with them.
 
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billnchristy

Senior Audioholic
I demo'd the Yamaha at Best buy (granted not the best place to demo...) I got the impression it was quite tinny.

The sub they sell as a companion is a boomy sloppy POS and it is probably that way because the speaker cant reproduce even low midbass so the sub is left with a lot of work.

The surround effect is pretty cool and it would be a tidy little system but I went with 3 ref .5s for my parents vice one of those.

Speaking of Ref .5s they are only $199 a pair with family pricing and will split a pair for you, so for $500 you can have a 5.0 system and they are rather light so shipping wont eat you up (i think 40 bucks for 3). All bookshelves are also risk free at av123 now, so if you dont like them send em back, no charge.

I am using ref .5s with my sp3 until my DIY project is done and I like them quite a bit...not as much as X-LS/CS though.

Also, if you look real carefully you might find one of the SLS Gold systems for sale...pretty dang good for $299 complete on clearance at BB, I dont know if anyone is letting theirs go though.
 
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ARRAY

Audioholic Intern
Try something for your front mains in a line array. They will have mammoth dispersion - you may not even need a centre channel!
 
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jsanfilippo5

Junior Audioholic
Music was extremely important to me and I am using the onix X-SUB. It is a small sub - I find it to be perfect for an apartment, im using it in my tiny apartment in Long island... Landlord never complains and this sub, if placed correctly is awesome for music. The bass is tight and punchy and it never gets sloppy... I currently have it teamed up with the infinty primus 150's and it is a great combo. The 150's have pretty tight bass as well condsdering there size....
 
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soNburst

Audiophyte
Cerwin Vega CVHD

anyone have any opinion on these?
has anyone listened to them?

thanks
 

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