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Mabardi

Enthusiast
Hello
First the setup I have:
- LG 65" OLED C9
- Denon X3600H
- 2 Klipsch RP-8000h
- Def Tech CS9080 center channel
- 2 Klipsch RP-500SA
- 2 Klipsch RP-402S
- 1 Def Tech SuperCube 4000

First question:
I am been advised to change the center channel to a Klipsch (example: RP-504c) because it will match the front speakers. Would advise for this to?

Second question:
Should I get a second Def Tech SC 4000 subwoofer, or get 2 of different brand.

Third question:
Is the Denon x3600h good enough for this setup. Or should I upgrade.

Thanks
 
nathan_h

nathan_h

Audioholic
The Denon is almost assuredly good enough unless you are sitting 15 feet or so from your speakers.

It doesn't hurt to get a Klipsch center speaker. Do you notice a different tone from the center speaker versus the others when watching a movie? Some people are sensitive to this. Others, not so much. Personally, it drives me crazy BUT I have to admit that many other people don't care or mind or notice -- and anyway a horizontal center tends to be placed at a different level than the main speakers and sound a little different, anyway.

That's not a bad sub. But it also doesn't dig down low as well as subs costing less from places like SVS and HSU. Depending on your room size, it may also be underpowered for proper home theater. How large is your room, including any areas it is open to?

I'd say that a subwoofer upgrade might be the most impressive way to upgrade your current gear.

The goal of two (ideally identical) subs is not about increasing output very much. (You can get a lot more output for the buck by getting one massive ported sub, rather than splitting the budget between two subs.). The goal of two subs is to get more even, consistent bass across multiple seats. It can take some effort (learning how to measure your room and gear with the free REW software) and extra gear (like a miniDSP and a measurement microphone like a UMIK1) to really dial in a dual subwoofer setup (unless your room is a closed rectangle in which case it can be very predictable and you can probably get good results with just some free tools on your phone). But for the ultimate home theater experience, dual sub can put you over the top in terms of quality and the experience.

*and all this talk of subs assumes you are already doing bass management properly and have designated all your speakers as 'small' in your AVR setup, and are sending all the bass below c. 80hz to the sub.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
It is generally best for home theater to have a matching center channel, yes.


Aaand yup. Start sub shopping. That cube might be an "okay" sub, but DefTech is better at making speakers than subs. How big is your overall space?
 
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Mabardi

Enthusiast
The space is 15' x 14'
I am seating 11' from the speakers.
Any recommendation for subwoofers.
And if the center channel needs to be exchanged, what recommendation would you have for me.
Thanks
 
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Mabardi

Enthusiast
By the way, should I setup the bass in the avr to LFE or LFE + Main
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I'd use the LFE and set all my speakers to small. LFE+Main overlaps some of the bass frequencies, some like that. Try it both ways, see if you have a particular preference. You can even use presets to use one for one source and the other for a different one....

We generally point people to the subwoofer specialists, such as SVS, Hsu Research, Rythmik, Power Sound Audio, Monolith and a few others depending on budget...

As to the center, if it makes for a cohesive front stage why change it? Altho having a matched set of speakers up front would be my preference (ideally you would have three of the same speakers across the front...a horizontal center is more a compromise necessary with placement options for tvs/screens; not a problem for an acoustically-transparent screen, tho).
 
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ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
If you could get a single RP 600 for your center, that would likely be your best match.
Klipsch centers (really, any horizontal 2-way MTM design) should be avoided, frankly.

Get rid of the DefTech sub, and get 2 good quality subs from the likes of those Lovin' mentioned just above. BTW, Outlaw is another good company for a great Sub.

Keep your 3600 as long as you can.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
The space is 15' x 14'
I am seating 11' from the speakers.
Any recommendation for subwoofers.
And if the center channel needs to be exchanged, what recommendation would you have for me.
Thanks
That's not a large space. Is it open to any other areas? Open to other rooms does factor to an extent. All of the companies HD mentioned are great choices. I think something like the VTF--2 from HSU would probably be your best bang for buck. A pair of those will rock that room. If you want something with better aesthetics SVS has some nice looking subs.
 
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Mabardi

Enthusiast
Would it be ok to replace my Def Tech SC4000 sub with 1 HSU ULS- 15 mk2, or should I go with 2 of them. Thanks
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Would it be ok to replace my Def Tech SC4000 sub with 1 HSU ULS- 15 mk2, or should I go with 2 of them. Thanks
YES!
Two would always be better when you ask an Audioholic. :)

But why the sealed subs? They are strong performers, but you will have better output down low with ported like the VTF2 or better, the VTF3
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Dual subs give more chances to smooth out room modes, but a single sub can work well enough if only worried about one seat....but I'd rather have the Hsu than the DT any day.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
Would it be ok to replace my Def Tech SC4000 sub with 1 HSU ULS- 15 mk2, or should I go with 2 of them. Thanks
I'd really nudge you toward one, or a pair of ported subs. You could certainly get away with a single VTF-15H in your room. Like HD said, having a 2nd can help smooth out dips or other room modes. I think a pair of VTF-2 MK5s would work really well for you, bang for buck tho. They're large enough for a medium room.

*Edit: That said a single ULS-15 MK2 will still be a nice step up from the DefTech cube. I'd go for a pair of them ideally if you absolutely want to go sealed.
 
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Mabardi

Enthusiast
What about the SVS PB-2000 Pro or SB-2000 Pro. I hear they are excellent subwoofers.
 
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ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
They are.
They aren't quite in the same value category as Hsu, and they won't compare as favorably to the VTF3, for example (in terms of performance to cost). But they are good little Subs. :) I'm a big fan of the PC version: I like the Cylinder form. :)
Also, Monolith 12" should be a consideration. Right now, I almost think they may be the strongest in the 12-13" category.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
What about the SVS PB-2000 Pro or PS-2000 Pro. I hear they are excellent subwoofers.
They are, and I think would work great for you. I'm assuming you mean the PB2000 or PC2000 pro tho, right? Yes, for sure a good choice. I think 1 will be sufficient but 2 would be ideal.

Did you mention if your space was open to any other rooms? I don't remember. If so I'd recommend even more you go with a pair.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
They are.
They aren't quite in the same value category as Hsu, and they won't compare as favorably to the VTF3, for example (in terms of performance to cost). But they are good little Subs. :) I'm a big fan of the PC version: I like the Cylinder form. :)
Also, Monolith 12" should be a consideration. Right now, I almost think they may be the strongest in the 12-13" category.
I think the VTF-2 MK5 would be a little more of an apples to apples comparison. I think a pair of SB2000s will bump pretty good in his room.
 

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