Proposal for a new BFD Sub EQ (BSE2496C)...

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Sonnie Parker

Audioholic Intern
I'm not sure how many folks are that interested in the BFD on this forum, but I figured I'd seek suggestions anyway.

As several of you may be aware, the BFD DSP1124P has been discontinued. I contacted the marketing and design department at Behringer and asked them would they consider developing a replacement unit that would be more suited to the consumer home theater world. There were extremely interested, as they indeed realize how popular their BFD has been for the HT consumer. Thousands of these units have been sold for sub equalization in home theaters, quite possibly exceeding their sales to the pro-audio market. At any rate... they are very willing to listen to us. Several of us BFD'ers have come together to propose a list of features we would like to see in a new unit. The original proposal has already been posted in several forums and received quite a response, just as we all suspected.

Keep in mind that we are not trying to compete with the SMS-1. We are looking to improve on the BFD units and keep the pricing very low for those that don't mind doing a little more to save money. It will be designed to work with the RoomEQ Wizard but will still be able to be used manually as it always has, for those that do not wish to use REW.


NOTE: I do not work for Behringer and am not getting paid by anyone to do this. I simply host the BFD GUIDE and have always had a lot of interest in the BFD. I only stand to gain what everyone else will... a new unit that will be a great inexpensive product to play with. Who knows, maybe they will give me a unit for beta and let me keep it.. either way, I'll buy one as soon as they become available.

If you have a suggestion you'd like to share, please do so. This is not final by any means. Just remember, we are trying to gather what the majority of former, present, and future users would want in a new unit while keeping the price low, low, low.

So here is part of the letter to Behringer... some info has been cut... basically proof facts on it's popularity based on threads and posts in forums, as well as a few other sections that would probably bore you.

Thanks for your input!

Proposal for the BSE2496C (Behringer Sub Equalizer 24/96 Consumer)

The consumer home theater world has for several years used the BFD DSP1124P as a parametric sub eq to level out the response of their sub(s). The unit has been extremely popular and continues to be the popular choice for sub equalization, where it can be found, being that it has been discontinued.

We are basing the BSE2496C (Behringer Sub EQ 24/96 Consumer) on similarities to several of your products such as the former DSP1124, the current FBQ2496, DEQ2496 and DCX2496, none of which fit our needs precisely. Following is a list of features in four categories, the first being the features we like to keep as they are in the DSP1124 and/or FBQ2496. Second are the essential features we would like, as well as several requested changes from the current BFD’s. These are what we consider the must haves if at all possible. Third are features/changes that we would like, but could live without if we just had too, although we believe they should have a minimal cost factor and might be easier included than we think. Fourth are features available in other Behringer models or new features that we would like to be considered, but could be reserved for a second higher-end model if they will cause the unit to exceed our target price.

We are not requesting a software program due to the free availability of the RoomEQ Wizard program mentioned above. The target price we would like to see is $200-250 retail which will allow for a street price of approximately $150-200. It is imperative that we keep the cost to a minimum, as this is and always has been the driving force behind BFD sales in the home theater world. The majority of BFD 1124 owners were able to acquire there unit for $100-125.

Features on the DSP1124 and/or FBQ2496 we would like to keep:
~ Two independent channels.
~ A minimum of twelve parametric filters per channel.
~ Channel coupling and series looping.
~ Three-way IN/OUT bypass.
~ Input/output LED level indicators.
~ LED filter indicators for both channels.
~ Front panel display.
~ Retain normal required buttons and jog dial.
~ 24-bit/96 kHz A/D and D/A converter powered by a 32-bit DSP.
~ Internal switch-mode power supply (100 - 240 V~ / 50-60hz).
~ Low power consumption.
~ Adjustable input level (-10dBV / +4dBu) on rear.
~ Hard bypass relay.
~ Noise-free.
~ 107db dynamic range.
~ 0.007% THD.
~ High-quality components.
~ High-quality construction.
~ Balanced XLR inputs/outputs.
~ One year warranty.


Essential features and changes that we would like and should have a very minimal cost factor:
~ Soft power ON/OFF with selectable Auto-On detect via sub signal.
~ Eliminate turn-on thump and ground hum.
~ Double insulated chassis with a two prong plug or a ground lift switch if needed to eliminate hum.
~ Pure flat frequency response from 10hz to 20khz* (FBQ2496 is -3db @ 20hz).
~ Filter adjustment capabilities from 10hz to 20khz*.
~ Adjustable gain range from -24db to +16db for each filter.
~ Minimum of 4 to 6 memory presets.
~ Replace ¼ inch inputs/outputs with RCA inputs/outputs.
~ Simple shelf filter… (i.e. selectable linear boost between two selectable frequencies).
~ Selectable and/or variable 6db-48db/octave subsonic roll-off filter from 25hz to 10hz (10,13,16,19,22,25hz).
~ Time delay in msec.
~ Variable phase correction/adjustment from 0-180.
~ Front panel USB and/or RS-232 interface for MIDI port (place under small flip cover like on computers).
~ Dimmable front panel LED’s / lights with OFF option.
~ Soft blue and/or green LED’s on front panel vs. red.
~ Offer unit in black or silver… if not optional, offer only in black.
~ Revamp chassis for home theater consumer appearance vs. pro-audio style.
~ Allow mounting brackets to be optional (include unattached).
~ Enclose/fill gaps on sides if mounting brackets are removed.
~ Add rubber feet to allow placement on top of other equipment.
~ Remove graphic design from top of unit.

* If it will save cost, limiting the upper frequency response and filter capabilities to 400hz is acceptable.

With the above features and changes this unit should sell like a hot potato at a steak house. We believe these are reasonable features for a street priced unit at $150-200.


Requested features/changes that won’t make or break the unit, but would be nice to have if minimal cost factor:
~ Anti-clipping mechanism with higher dynamic peak input before clipping.
~ Frequency readout in hertz instead of base + fine… (1hz increments w/ 0.1hz fine increments).
~ Bandwidth readout in octaves (1/3,1/6,1/24,1/1, etc.) or hertz (2hz,5hz,12hz,etc.) instead of 1/60, 10/60, 60/60, etc.
~ Front panel volume/gain to control output level to sub.
~ Ability to slave multiple units together.
~ Linkwitz transform circuit.
~ Detachable power cord.


Next are the more elaborate features that you already have in some of your units, plus a few other added requested features, but we are uncertain as to the cost of these features and whether it would cause the new unit to exceed our target street price of $150-200. It may be that we could stand a street price of $250 (retail $299) with these extra features. We assume it would depend on your cost to integrate them into the new unit. Or if feasible, offer the above in one unit and add these features to another unit at a little higher cost.

Elaborate requested features with unknown cost factor for implementation (in order of relevance):
~ Individual crossover filters (Butterworth, Bessel, Linkwitz-Riley) per channel w/ selectable roll-off 6db-48db/octave.
~ Built-in RTA mic/line input with phantom power and GAIN control.
~ Built-in SPL meter with selectable dBA/dBC/OFF weighting.
~ Built-in test tones (sinewaves – individual 1hz increments and sweep from 5hz to 400hz).
~ Separate RCA mic monitoring and test tone output to allow for computer program monitoring.
~ Locate RTA mic/line inputs and RCA monitoring outputs on the front face plate under a small flip cover.
~ Video output for monitoring the display would be nice, but the cost factor may prohibit this.
~ Video display instead of LED’s… (dimmable and selectable OFF).
~ Small and simple 6 button wireless IR remote with discrete ON/OFF buttons and Preset 1,2,3,4 buttons.
~ Rear IR jack for remote control… to use with repeaters.
~ Add volume/gain control button to remote if feature is made available.
~ Add other control buttons to remote if cost feasible.

Consider them all sold!

We sincerely appreciate your genuine interest and consideration.

Sonnie Parker
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
personally, i would like to see them compete with the sms-1. go ahead and send them the sms-1 specs. :) anything resembling the sms-1 that's cheaper ... im buy.
 
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Sonnie Parker

Audioholic Intern
Not a bad idea Mike. Maybe we could get them to build two units at two different prices as suggested in the proposal and let the higher-end unit spec out similar to the SMS-1.
 
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