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mike67

Enthusiast
hi , i am new to AV , need advise for my power upgrade.

My current setup : pioneer vsx10i, a pair of martin logan aeon as front, NHT M6 as centre, martin logan depth sub & 4 infinity bipolar surround.

any advise on separates power for my upgrade? my pioneer receiver occasion trip when volume go at -7db, is that normal ?

i heard & read a lot about Lexicon series , are there worth the investment ?
my upgrade budget at about 5 to 8k.

cheers
 
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azsoundman

Enthusiast
mike67 said:
hi , i am new to AV , need advise for my power upgrade.

My current setup : pioneer vsx10i, a pair of martin logan aeon as front, NHT M6 as centre, martin logan depth sub & 4 infinity bipolar surround.

any advise on separates power for my upgrade? my pioneer receiver occasion trip when volume go at -7db, is that normal ?

i heard & read a lot about Lexicon series , are there worth the investment ?
my upgrade budget at about 5 to 8k.

cheers
At least consider the following.. www.bkcomp.com U may not have to spend all of that money at once and still have some left to finish the job with a logan center and rears.. Also try a good line conditioner.. Good luck!
 
zipper

zipper

Full Audioholic
As far as the Pioneer shutting down, I think the ML's are 6 ohm speakers & believe the impedance can drop way down on those at times.


B&K makes some fine,affordable amps. Have heard good things about Outlaw amps. There is also a review on this site about an Aragon 5-ch amp that you may want to read.
 
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mike67

Enthusiast
zipper said:
As far as the Pioneer shutting down, I think the ML's are 6 ohm speakers & believe the impedance can drop way down on those at times.


B&K makes some fine,affordable amps. Have heard good things about Outlaw amps. There is also a review on this site about an Aragon 5-ch amp that you may want to read.
hi again, some more question to clear my mind :
why are some AV GEAR are THX Certified & other are not , do there make huge difference in perfomance?
centr & front speakers , is it necessary to be of the same brand ?

what is the different between class AB & class D amplfier? Do there drive my martin logan equlally well ?
 
Takeereasy

Takeereasy

Audioholic General
Hi Mike67, I'd like to second a vote for outlaw audio as an amp. You can get their 770 amp which will give you 7 channels at 200w each at 8 ohms, or 300w at 4 ohms. It will set you back only $1800 of your $8000 budget. Outlaw Audio 770 amp Outlaw's amps are identical to other, more well known, companies but their prices are usually much lower. And I do mean identical, not just similar. All that is different is the case. This amp weighs 90lbs and means business. I was going to suggest that you look at an emotiva amp from AV123 but they are back ordered. That amp weighs 115lbs and is rated at 400watts at 2 ohms. You do need an amp that can safely drop down to at least 4 ohms. I've heard that Martins often drop down to 2 ohms, that's probably waht is shutting down your pioneer.

THX certification means that the product in question meets the minimums established by George Lucas's Skywalker Ranch sound studio. It is more of a measuring stick than anything else. It can be pretty pricey to put that badge on a product. Because of this some companies will avoid putting the badge on some products that could easily be certified in order to keep the costs down. The Denon 3805 for example could most likely easily be THX certified, but putting that badge on the side would push the price up and make it a less competitve product. THX ULTRAII is more demanding than just plain THX certification. You will usually only find ULTRA badges on high end products that are designed to fill a large space with sound. Actual specs can be found at THX.com.

It depends on what you are doing with your sysem on just how important matching you centers and fronts is. For movies and home theater it is not 100% essential, but I'd still suggest it if you could. It looks better, and if you can drop 8 grand on an amp, and have got Martin Logans out front, I think you owe it to yourself to pick up a nice Martin Center to compliment the others. And you owe it to us to take a picture of your system and send it in. :)

The AB & D amp question is out of my depth though, I'm sure that the D amp is a digital amp, and that while there used to be a real problem with distortion in these amps they've come a long way recently. I also know that they're small compared to the traditional amps you see most often in receivers and seperates, but that's all I know.

Good luck with the purchase.
 
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mike67

Enthusiast
hi takeereasy , thanks for the note.
will try to put up the pic of my systems once i have done the upgrade
i have recently renovated my room & i enjoy every moment spent in it.
my systems include:
110" mattie white morgan fixed screen (Australia)
infocus 4805 ( very good, but marantz S4 DLP is my dream machine)
pioneer 969 DVD player
i am also considerating power PLANT from PS AUDIO.(PRICE is the set back)
cheers.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
mike67 said:
hi , i am new to AV , need advise for my power upgrade.

My current setup : pioneer vsx10i, a pair of martin logan aeon as front, NHT M6 as centre, martin logan depth sub & 4 infinity bipolar surround.

any advise on separates power for my upgrade? my pioneer receiver occasion trip when volume go at -7db, is that normal ?

i heard & read a lot about Lexicon series , are there worth the investment ?
my upgrade budget at about 5 to 8k.

cheers

Yep, those speakers impedance can dip low, combined with high volume and the Pioneer will shut down.
You don't need an expensive power amp to get sufficient power to drive them. Make sure that Pioneer has pre outs or you will have more expense ;)
Forget that powerbar suggested elsewhere. A gimmick.
 
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awesomebase

Audioholic
Power Amps

Well, you've certainly got quite the setup! I can't say what would be causing your current amp to trip, but, you may want to measure how much power your whole system is consuming. You may have a heavy load on your breaker. Also, I would definitely consider a line conditioner if you don't already have one, that will certainly protect your equipment and might possibly help with your problem.
If you're in the market for good separates and want to get good power, definitely look at the Outlaws... they are probably the best bang for the buck. Rotel has a very good 5-channel amp as well. Also, Aragon has very good amplifiers and I hear that they will be coming out with a whole new lineup for 2006. I don't know if that means that they will release them later this year or sometime next year. Their amps before they were taken over by Klipsch tended to be better, but, everybody's experience differs.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Adcom. I use an Adcom GFA7605 with an Adcom ACE315 surge supressor/line enhancer. Great products. Great prices.

It has been mentioned to use a surge supressor/line conditioner. It has also been said it is a Gimmick. Well, I have a real world story. My amp has distortion alert LED's that light-up once distortion such as THD or clipping occurs. Once I installed the ACE315, I was able to crank the volume much higher before these lights would come on. I know that my mind tells me that the sound is cleaner because I spent money, so I guess my eyes are lying to me also. :rolleyes:
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
awesomebase said:
Well, you've certainly got quite the setup! I can't say what would be causing your current amp to trip, but, you may want to measure how much power your whole system is consuming. You may have a heavy load on your breaker. Also, I would definitely consider a line conditioner if you don't already have one, that will certainly protect your equipment and might possibly help with your problem.
If you're in the market for good separates and want to get good power, definitely look at the Outlaws... they are probably the best bang for the buck. Rotel has a very good 5-channel amp as well. Also, Aragon has very good amplifiers and I hear that they will be coming out with a whole new lineup for 2006. I don't know if that means that they will release them later this year or sometime next year. Their amps before they were taken over by Klipsch tended to be better, but, everybody's experience differs.

If he is over drawing on the circuit why isn't the circuit breaker tripping? Why should the receiver trip? I think you have this backwards?
How will the conditioner help his receiver with tripping?
 
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