Power cord for Emotiva Sub 12

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objectivecpp

Audioholic Intern
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mratek

Audiophyte
You should call Emotiva. According to the manual -

Inventory
Included with your Ultra Subwoofer should be an IEC Class 1,2 prong powercord,and this User’sGuide.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I am a beginner and have never setup an audio system before.

Could someone tell me what power cord I need to use for this subwoofer. Nothing was shipped with the sub.

http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm

Also, someone asked me to get this cable for connecting my sub with the receiver but it seems that my receiver does not support that cable. Could you confirm?

What i got:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2680&seq=1&format=2

Thanks
What receiver do you have?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I am a beginner and have never setup an audio system before.

Could someone tell me what power cord I need to use for this subwoofer. Nothing was shipped with the sub.

http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm

Also, someone asked me to get this cable for connecting my sub with the receiver but it seems that my receiver does not support that cable. Could you confirm?

What i got:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2680&seq=1&format=2

Thanks
Any computer power cord will do the job.

You show a digital cable 75 ohm per foot impedance.

You need an audio cable 50 ohm per foot. Having a cable with the correct impedance for the job really does matter.
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
Open the bottom of the box. The power cord and feet should be there. I thought the same when I got my review sample.
 
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mratek

Audiophyte
Thanks for that heads up Gene. My Emotiva Sub 12 is due to arrive tomorrow and I was hoping it would come complete. Didn't want to wait to audition it.
 
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ChunkyDark

Full Audioholic
Any computer power cord will do the job.

You show a digital cable 75 ohm per foot impedance.

You need an audio cable 50 ohm per foot. Having a cable with the correct impedance for the job really does matter.
Huh, first I heard that it should be 50ohm not 75. Good to know, I'll have to see about switching mine out.

Maybe I'm blind/tired but I don't see anything in the link you provided stating that is 50ohm?

Thanks,
Chunkydark
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Huh, first I heard that it should be 50ohm not 75. Good to know, I'll have to see about switching mine out.

Maybe I'm blind/tired but I don't see anything in the link you provided stating that is 50ohm?

Thanks,
Chunkydark
It has to be because it is an RCA to RCA audio cable which are 50 Ohm impedance cables. Digital and video cables are 75 ohm impedance.
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
hmmm...

You need an audio cable 50 ohm per foot. Having a cable with the correct impedance for the job really does matter.
According to BlueJeans Cable that statement is a myth...

By the way: we often hear from people on internet discussion boards, or in e-mails inquiring about our products, that "audio cable is supposed to be 50 ohms". There is indeed a lot of 50 ohm coaxial cable in the world, and no doubt some of it has been used for analog audio; but there is not now, and has never been, any standard impedance spec for unbalanced analog audio cable. 50 ohm cable isn't a good choice for analog audio. That's not because of the impedance, which doesn't matter at all, but because of the capacitance, which is quite high in 50 ohm cables (typically 25 to 31 pF/ft). We're not sure what the origin of the "50 ohm audio cable" myth is, but it doesn't seem to want to die.
Could you show us where 50 ohm cables are recommended for a Subwoofer connection?

Thanks :)
 
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just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
ahhh. here is a new guy, rock'n the boat.

:popcorn:
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
Nah...

I was just reading what TLS Guy wrote...
found it intriguing...
performed a Google search for "50 ohm audio cable"...
and that BlueJeans Cable quote was at the top.

Not trying to start trouble... just trying to expand my audio knowledge...
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
According to BlueJeans Cable that statement is a myth...



Could you show us where 50 ohm cables are recommended for a Subwoofer connection?

Thanks :)
Your question has caused me to do some digging. The bandwidth of an audio signal is quite small so transmission signals are not likely to suffer any significant degradation under a wide variety of circumstances.

It seems that the selection of 50 ohms impedance for audio cables was chosen by Bird corporation and turns out to have been a decision of practicality rather than anything else.

Why 50 ohm coax ?

Standard coaxial line impedance for r.f. power transmission in the U.S. is almost exclusively 50 ohms. Why this value was chosen is given in a paper presented by _Bird Electronic Corp._ Standard coaxial line impedance for r.f. power transmission in the U.S. is almost exclusively 50 ohms. Why this value was chosen is given in a paper presented by Bird Electronic Corp.

Different impedance values are optimum for different parameters. Maximum power-carrying capability occurs at a diameter ratio of 1.65 corresponding to 30-ohms impedance. Optimum diameter ratio for voltage breakdown is 2.7 corresponding to 60-ohms impedance (incidentally, the standard impedance in many European countries).

Power carrying capacity on breakdown ignores current density which is high at low impedances such as 30 ohms. Attenuation due to conductor losses alone is almost 50% higher at that impedance than at the minimum attenuation impedance of 77 ohms (diameter ratio 3.6). This ratio, however, is limited to only one half maximum power of a 30-ohm line.

In the early days, microwave power was hard to come by and lines could not be taxed to capacity. Therefore low attenuation was the overriding factor leading to the selection of 77 (or 75) ohms as a standard. This resulted in hardware of certain fixed dimensions. When low-loss dielectric materials made the flexible line practical, the line dimensions remained unchanged to permit mating with existing equipment.

The dielectric constant of polyethylene is 2.3. Impedance of a 77-ohm air line is reduced to 51 ohms when filled with polyethylene. Fifty-one ohms is still in use today though the standard for precision is 50 ohms.

The attenuation is minimum at 77 ohms; the breakdown voltage is maximum at 60 ohms and the power-carrying capacity is maximum at 30 ohms.

Another thing which might have lead to 50 ohm coax is that if you take a reasonable sized center conductor and put a insulator around that and then put a shield around that and choose all the dimensions so that they are convenient and mechanically look good, then the impedance will come out at about 50 ohms. In order to raise the impedance, the center conductor's diameter needs to be tiny with respect to the overall cable's size. And in order to lower the impedance, the thickness of the insulation between the inner conductor and the shield must be made very thin. Since almost any coax that *looks* good for mechanical reasons just happens to come out at close to 50 ohms anyway, there was a natural tendency for standardization at exactly 50 ohms.
However wide band width digital cables are a different matter, and proper impedance transmission with 785 ohm impedance cables is important to avoid reflections and excess data error.
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
I should have paid better attention in science class...

Thanks for the information TLS Guy, and thank you for not taking offense to my question. :)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Your question has caused me to do some digging. The bandwidth of an audio signal is quite small so transmission signals are not likely to suffer any significant degradation under a wide variety of circumstances.

It seems that the selection of 50 ohms impedance for audio cables was chosen by Bird corporation and turns out to have been a decision of practicality rather than anything else.



However wide band width digital cables are a different matter, and proper impedance transmission with 785 ohm impedance cables is important to avoid reflections and excess data error.
Sorry! There is a typo and should say 75 ohm and not 785 in the last paragraph!
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
Nah...

I was just reading what TLS Guy wrote...
found it intriguing...
performed a Google search for "50 ohm audio cable"...
and that BlueJeans Cable quote was at the top.

Not trying to start trouble... just trying to expand my audio knowledge...
i was just being a joker.

your kind of trouble, is ok around here.
 

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