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jayflhr

Audiophyte
Hello,

I have a pair of B&W 801 Series 3 that I need power for. I am debating with getting a Rotel RB-1090 used or a brand new Emotiva XPA-DR2.

I intend to use this setup for vinyl, CD, and digital streaming.

Any guidance will be appreciated! I have read reviews, but I do not have the depth of knowledge to accurately compare these products for my intentions.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
What about the Anthem MCA225. Or maybe Bi-amp them with some outlaw Model 2200 mono-blocks if you really want tons of power.
 
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jayflhr

Audiophyte
I think I need more power than that. The sensitivity of the 801's is only 87db.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
How loud do you want to listen... around 256 watts should be able to get your ears bleeding. :)
 
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jayflhr

Audiophyte
I want to hit 115-120db, if not louder, with extreme clarity. Obviously that will not be consistent listening levels, but I want to know that it's there when I want it. I had a car system that was that loud and it was ridiculous! I have yet to hear a home system to rival what was in my car. Maybe it is not achievable within a working/family man's budget?
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
I want to hit 115-120db, if not louder, with extreme clarity. Obviously that will not be consistent listening levels, but I want to know that it's there when I want it. I had a car system that was that loud and it was ridiculous! I have yet to hear a home system to rival what was in my car. Maybe it is not achievable within a working/family man's budget?
OMG, this post cracked me up, 120db......how soon do you want to go deaf ?

as for car stereo sounding better ??? doesn't say much about the home systems you've listened to !!
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Wow. I've been a professional musician: Classical and Jazz trained... performance Rock... this is one of the DUMBEST things I've ever heard/read. 120dB is considered to be the THRESHOLD OF PAIN. The EU even has rules preventing their Orchestras from practicing at full volume due to unsafe dB levels and the potential for hearing loss.

If that doesn't warn you off, then maybe this will:

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Peace. I'm out.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The B&Ws may not perform well at 120dB either, if you can even tell.
 
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jayflhr

Audiophyte
OMG, this post cracked me up, 120db......how soon do you want to go deaf ?

as for car stereo sounding better ??? doesn't say much about the home systems you've listened to !!

I knew someone would react this way. You didn't hear my car audio. Done by an award winning shop in NY, they took the entire car apart and rebuilt it.

As I stated, I could use some of the knowledge that folks here have.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
I knew someone would react this way. You didn't hear my car audio. Done by an award winning shop in NY, they took the entire car apart and rebuilt it.

As I stated, I could use some of the knowledge that folks here have.
Jay, that's not my point, fact is no matter how good your car audio was done it in NO way can compete with the acoustics of a top flight home set up and for a myriad of reasons.

good luck with your quest ........
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I knew someone would react this way. You didn't hear my car audio. Done by an award winning shop in NY, they took the entire car apart and rebuilt it.

As I stated, I could use some of the knowledge that folks here have.
I think you'll find what everyone here will advise folks is that 120 dB is pretty insane. Are you trying to weaponize your system..? Lol
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I knew someone would react this way. You didn't hear my car audio. Done by an award winning shop in NY, they took the entire car apart and rebuilt it.

As I stated, I could use some of the knowledge that folks here have.
Why did you choose B&W for this goal? Playing around with an spl calculator even at a mere 3 ft it would take 1000wpc to get above 120dB. Maybe some high sensitivity/high spl performance speakers are what you need....like these http://jtrspeakers.com/noesis-215rt.html
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I want to hit 115-120db, if not louder, with extreme clarity. Obviously that will not be consistent listening levels, but I want to know that it's there when I want it. I had a car system that was that loud and it was ridiculous! I have yet to hear a home system to rival what was in my car. Maybe it is not achievable within a working/family man's budget?
120 dB from how far? Double the distance you may lose as much as 6 dB, depending on your room acoustics.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I want to hit 115-120db, if not louder, with extreme clarity.
Actually the trailer for Prometheus hit 115 db in an IMAX. It was a ton of LF mixed with everything else and the reason I had the SPL meter with me was because my prior visit to that IMAX did hurt my ears.

In a smaller room a couple of ice picks right through your eardrums should work. Have fun hearing everything for the last time.

But tell us your budget.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I want to hit 115-120db, if not louder, with extreme clarity. Obviously that will not be consistent listening levels, but I want to know that it's there when I want it. I had a car system that was that loud and it was ridiculous! I have yet to hear a home system to rival what was in my car. Maybe it is not achievable within a working/family man's budget?
Dude,
I don't know if you can actually appreciate what 120db is bringing to the table, but, if you can achieve it and enjoy it, more power to you (I love a good pun). You ask if you can do it at home having done it in a car. A car is a sealed chamber albeit a small one too. I have seen videos of people inside such cars when they fire up SPL levels like you are talking about. Their hair freakin flies all over everywhere from the sound pressure. Its awesome to watch but I'm not sure more than a few moments inside would be any fun.

Like the other AH posters have indicated, it takes an insane amount of power and limited distances to hit 120db in a room. I think its achievable but you may not have the right speakers to get it done. Like @Pogre said, you may need to go with something better suited to the task. Amplification you could simply rack n stack like a big stack of pro series amps to manage the cost. But you'd have to take care with the speakers you chose so that as you drive them that hard you don't just melt them. That would mean to me lots of drivers each coupled to the power source.

Again, I don't know if the final result, 120db at lets say 6 to 8 feet from the speakers, is really worth the cost. But, hey its your dream so if you have the money and the desire, I'd love to see what it looks like. I'm not sure I'd want to listen in at 120db because my hearing is already not what it used to be. I need to keep my ears together for the rest of my audio journeys.

Have fun ! This sounds like crazy fun. But have fun.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
What about the Anthem MCA225. Or maybe Bi-amp them with some outlaw Model 2200 mono-blocks if you really want tons of power.
Or a stack of the pro series amps. Lower cost. Like these Crown amps. You could bolt the audio equivalent of a jet pack on your listening chair for not a lot of money. Then spread out a fairly large number of drivers across each so you don't burn them up. Make sure you also have improved your branch current breaker in the your supply from 15 amp to at least 20 amps and maybe have 2 circuits as well because its gonna draw some juice.
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Four amps won't be enough, but if you did a bunch, you might get there before the house burned down.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I think you'll find what everyone here will advise folks is that 120 dB is pretty insane. Are you trying to weaponize your system..? Lol
@Pogre
Whaddya think? If the OP builds it, how would you like Tool's brand new album (in the hi-res version) at 120db?
Fear Inoculum at 120db in my music room?
Is that a dream , or, a nightmare?
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
@Pogre
Whaddya think? If the OP builds it, how would you like Tool's brand new album (in the hi-res version) at 120db?
Fear Inoculum at 120db in my music room?
Is that a dream , or, a nightmare?
I would probably pass out from sheer ecstasy right before both of my eardrums explode. There are so many replies for this thread zooming through my mind right now but I think I'm with you. Let's do it!

@jayflhr! What kind of budget are you working with, and are you willing to consider pro audio gear? Got a budget? First thing's first tho. Those B&W's gotta go. You'll never get clean 120 dB from them without melting them first, no matter how much power you throw at 'em. We need to get the right speakers selected then we can start talking power requirements.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
I would probably pass out from sheer ecstasy right before both of my eardrums explode. There are so many replies for this thread zooming through my mind right now but I think I'm with you. Let's do it!

@jayflhr! What kind of budget are you working with, and are you willing to consider pro audio gear? Got a budget? First thing's first tho. Those B&W's gotta go. You'll never get clean 120 dB from them without melting them first, no matter how much power you throw at 'em. We need to get the right speakers selected then we can start talking power requirements.
Yeah pretty sure those B&W’s would melt down. Maybe this would do it?
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Yeah I think everybody has hit the nail on the head there is no way those B&W's will get you what you want. Throwing extra power at something can't defy the laws of physics. You need pro gear probably to realistically pull it off
 
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