Playing PAL DVD's on a Denon 2200

[20to20K]

Has anyone out there been successful at doing this? I bought a PAL DVD assuming it would play on my 2200 because it "claims" to be a Universal Player. When I pop it in I hear the sound, but the video is all garbled. I go to the "Settings" menu and change the source setting from "Multi" specifically
to "PAL" and the picture is still garbled. When I try to hit the PAL/NTSC button on the remote I get the flashing "Talk to the hand" symbol on the screen meaning I can't perform this function.

Am I doing something wrong? Do I need a special kind of multi-system TV or is PAL playback simply not possible with the Denon 2200? Of course then that leads to the question...what the heck is that button for!

Any ideas?

Thanks!

 

[claudermilk]

It's a universal player because it plays DVD, CD, CD-R, MP3, and most importantly SACD and DVD-A. AFAIK it does not do PAL, but don't hold me to that; I have never even looked into that capability since all my media is NTSC.

 

[j_garcia]

It's a universal player because it plays DVD, CD, CD-R, MP3, and most importantly SACD and DVD-A. AFAIK it does not do PAL, but don't hold me to that; I have never even looked into that capability since all my media is NTSC.

It has a button to switch between NTSC and PAL, so it is supposed to do PAL.

I can't tell you why it doesn't work though, because I don't have any way to try PAL. How do you have it connected to the display? Did you try switching between NTSC and PAL before or after you put the disc in?

The manual says there is also a setup in the display menu that you need to set for NTSC, PAL or Multi (for both, which is the default). It says that if you have a PAL TV and the player is set to NTSC, the picture will be messed up and vice versa.

 

[20to20K]

It has a button to switch between NTSC and PAL, so it is supposed to do PAL.

I can't tell you why it doesn't work though, because I don't have any way to try PAL. How do you have it connected to the display? Did you try switching between NTSC and PAL before or after you put the disc in?

The manual says there is also a setup in the display menu that you need to set for NTSC, PAL or Multi (for both, which is the default). It says that if you have a PAL TV and the player is set to NTSC, the picture will be messed up and vice versa.

I've tried every combination of removing disk-switching, not removing-switching, ect...I did notice that comment in the manual after I sent my
post so it appears its the fact that my TV is NTSC is the problem. Kind of a scam on Denon's part...calling it a "Universal" player...but only if you have a "Universal" TV or the ablitity to constantly switch between different TV's.
Who's gonna do that? I know military bases sell those "multi-system" TVs but not too many other places do.

BTW...I'm connected via the composite jacks running straight from the
2200 to the Mitsubishi. I suppose I could run them through the 3805 first but that wouldn't help me with this problem (and require more $$$ on cables!).

I guess no PAL for me...

Thanks.

 

[Buckle-meister]

...it appears...that my TV [being] NTSC is the problem.

I don't think so 20to20K. If your player says it can do the conversion, it can do the conversion, and will be able to sent your NTSC TV an NTSC signal from having converted a PAL disc (presuming that the PAL disc's Region Code is supported by your machine, or that if it isn't, you have a 'hack code' for the player to get around this).

I have the Yamaha S2500 Universal, and even though it's obviously not the same as your own player, I've just taken a look at its manual to see if I can help out here...

I'm connected via the composite jacks running straight from the 2200 to the Mitsubishi.

This might be key to the whole problem. My manual states (in the PAL/NTSC conversion section) that "In Progressive mode, the output signals from the VIDEO and S-VIDEO jacks are the same as the format of the disc you play." It's weird I know, since who cares what is coming out of the VIDEO or S-VIDEO jacks when in Progressive mode given that you'd be using the COMPONENT jacks, but it just might be that if you try a component cable (if you dont have one, use three of the four ends of two regular audio leads), you'll be sorted...

Fingers crossed!

Regards

EDIT: In fact, I'd recommend getting a component cable anyway. Unlike from Component to HDMI, which you may or may not notice any difference, you almost certainly will notice an improved picure quality from Composite to Component.

 

[20to20K]

Looks like I got my terminology backwards...

I don't think so 20to20K. If your player says it can do the conversion, it can do the conversion, and will be able to sent your NTSC TV an NTSC signal from having converted a PAL disc (presuming that the PAL disc's Region Code is supported by your machine, or that if it isn't, you have a 'hack code' for the player to get around this).

I have the Yamaha S2500 Universal, and even though it's obviously not the same as your own player, I've just taken a look at its manual to see if I can help out here...



This might be key to the whole problem. My manual states (in the PAL/NTSC conversion section) that "In Progressive mode, the output signals from the VIDEO and S-VIDEO jacks are the same as the format of the disc you play." It's weird I know, since who cares what is coming out of the VIDEO or S-VIDEO jacks when in Progressive mode given that you'd be using the COMPONENT jacks, but it just might be that if you try a component cable (if you dont have one, use three of the four ends of two regular audio leads), you'll be sorted...

Fingers crossed!

Regards

EDIT: In fact, I'd recommend getting a component cable anyway. Unlike from Component to HDMI, which you may or may not notice any difference, you almost certainly will notice an improved picure quality from Composite to Component.

My connection from my 2200 to my television is via the 3 R/B/G video connections which appears to be the component video and NOT the composite video as I stated. Is the composite video connection the S-Video or the single rca "video out" jack on the back? If that's the case then I'm not using that connection...sorry for the confusion.

Based on what you said then, it appears I'm connected the way I need to be. I did just read another tidbit in the Denon manual online that may be my problem. There is an option in the setup menu called "TV Type" which allows you to choose between: PAL, NTSC, and Multi. The factory default setting is still at "Multi" and the manual states that:

"NTSC signals are output from the video output jacks when discs recorded in NTSC format are played, and PAL signals are output from the video output jacks when discs recorded in PAL fromat are played"

Based on that it seems that maybe I should have that setting on "PAL" all the time and not "Multi". I'm thinking that maybe "Multi" is always playing the signal back in the originally intended format of the disk...which would explain why I was getting that "Hand" on the screen whenever I tried to hit the PAL/NTSC button. I'm gonna try this when I get home tonight and see what happens. Wish me luck!

 

[claudermilk]

Hope it works out.

The three connection method you have available are composite which is the single RCA jack, S-Video which is the multi-pin round connector and component which is the three RCA jacks. It sounds like you are probably on component, so you are using the best connection available.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Wha' d'ya reckon Claudermilk? Did 20to20K sort his problem out or not?

Come on 20to20K! Did you fix the problem?

Regards

 

[claudermilk]

Wha' d'ya reckon Claudermilk? Did 20to20K sort his problem out or not?

Come on 20to20K! Did you fix the problem?

Regards

:shrug: Don't know, I'd assume so.

 

[20to20K]

Worked like a charm

Sorry I didn't update you guys!

Went to the 2200 Video menu and changed the setting from "Multi" to "NTSC" and I'm now able to view my PAL DVD. Kind of odd terminology to have it be set for NTSC to play PAL but that's how it works.

BTW...the DVD was awesome. It was a live Pat Metheny DVD from Spain recorded last July with Antonio Sanchez on drums and Christian McBride on bass. Pretty awesome (if you're into that kind of thing).

Thanks for your help,

 

[j_garcia]

Like I mentioned before, in the manual it says you have to have it set for the EQUIPMENT you have connected, not the discs. The discs should automatically play in their native format. Glad you got it figred out