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zvardanian

Audioholic Intern
So I've been looking to upgrade my LCD TV...but this time around, I've started looking at Plasma screens. The Samsung B550 or Panny G10.

My time is split 50/50 tv and games (xbox) My only concern is with black bars...especially during movies and TV.

How do you folks deal with them during TV and movies? I'm seriosuly considering the Plasma, but this worries me.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I wouldn't worry about it with the pannys. I always recommend running a 100 hour break in DVD and don't run the display in torch mode.
 
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zvardanian

Audioholic Intern
Anythnig about Samsung?

I've heard the panny's have a green tinge to them.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Anythnig about Samsung?

I've heard the panny's have a green tinge to them.
Haven't seen that personally and for overall spec I'd take the G10. Search this forum for the G10 and you'll find some very useful information
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
I think a lot of stuff you read in reviews about color accuracy is fairly nitpicky. My Panny V10 looks fabulous. If your TV has an SD slot, use the slideshow option for break-in. See AVS forum for all that.

I went Panny over Samsung because more people have reported issues with their Samsung plasmas and the support didn't sound as good. Odds are it won't be an issue but Panasonic has a reputation for having really good support.

The Sammy plasmas are reputed to have better color accuracy and are somewhat cheaper right now. The Panasonics have better blacks. Either way you'll get a great set.

Jim
 
BudgetHT

BudgetHT

Audioholic
I don't have the most keen eye, but I have yet to see the green tinge on my TC-50PS14. PQ is great and I haven't even calibrated this display yet.
Don't worry about the black bars. There's not much you can do about it other than police every commercial that's on and zoom in and out as needed. I just set mine to "full" aspect so I don't have any 4:3 content on the screen and let it do it's own thing. I set my pixel orbiter to 1 minute so it shifts as such and don't sweat it.
Just make sure when you first set it up set your contrast to 50(factory setting is 100)
The only problem with plasma is waiting that first 100 hrs of burn-in before you can calibrate.:(
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
I don't worry about IR on my Panny PX80U - had two very slight instances early on (once was when I put my son to bed and left the DVR on pause -- oops) but anymore when I watch 4x3 content (which is rarely) I don't sweat it a bit. Also my son plays the heck outta XBOX on it with no IR issues at all.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Pana PZ850 owns. What I don't get is, why do people complain about black levels? After calibrating mine using Avia II, it's TOO dark in most things!
 
bandphan

bandphan

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Pana PZ850 owns. What I don't get is, why do people complain about black levels? After calibrating mine using Avia II, it's TOO dark in most things!
Not just the black level but the sharpness detail of it.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I deal with black bars on my Samsung plasma by displaying them :D

Seriously, there's no worries necessary here. Burn-in just isn't an issue with modern plasmas.

Overall, I certainly prefer plasma. The deeper black levels, perfect off-angle viewing, higher contrast and smoother, more film-like image are all things that make me prefer plasmas to LCDs. But I have to say, if you have a very bright room, LCDs can be the better choice sometimes.

The newest plasmas are capable of being considerably brighter than older models, but LCDs still hold an edge when you really need to crank out the brightness. Furthermore, in a bright room, much of that really deep black and really fine shadow detail is obscured anyway - effectively diminishing plasma's advantage in these areas. In particular, the Panny and Samsung plasmas tend to wash out in bright lighting and they don't retain their black levels (black looks grey in bright room lighting).

So LCD still has its place, IMO. But if your room is not bright - or especially if it is downright dim or dark - then plasma holds the picture quality advantage.

One thing that puts Panasonic's plasmas over Samsung's for me is the screen surface. Samsung's plasma screens are glossy and clearly show reflections. Samsung claims to have an "anti-glare" screen, but it doesn't work very well at all, IMO. I find it distracting. Panasonic's screen surface isn't perfect - you can still spot reflections - but it is better than Samsung's and that puts the Panny on top, for me.

The Pannys also deliver deeper black levels, so that's another obvious plus.

But one thing's for sure, you don't have to worry about content. Play your games, watch your 2.35:1 aspect movies with the black bars in place - as they should be! There's no reason to worry about that stuff :)
 
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DaleAV

Full Audioholic
There's been some nice but subtle changes on the Samsung plasmas. One is a single glass for the screen which is said to enhance clarity as well as reduce reflections.
They improved across the board, although Panny does have the best black level of any plasma with the exception of a Kuro, of course.
Samsung has been the color king, plus they can be calibrated extremely well (professionally) because of an abundance of color/gamma controls.
In the end, the differences will not huge. Both are excellent displays, let's hope Samsung has turned the corner on some reliability problems.
Reputation for reliability is something Panasonic will always hold over most any other mfr. for now anyway. Kind of like the Toyota of electronics I guess. :)
 

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