Plan of 5.1 budget set up

[Jfc]

I'm planning to set up a 5.1 system in installment process. Sala area 450" width x 300" depth x 250 " ceiling height.

Set up under 1000 USD;
Denon x2100 - 320 usd refurbished
Wave crest hvl-1 front, center, rear 100 usd each
Dayton sub 1200.

60% music and 40% movies.

What do you think of this set up? I'm leaning towards flat warm sound.

Please advise. I'm new to proper AV system. Thank you.

 

[herbu]

Lots of choices. How much research have you done?
Did you look at this: http://www.audioholics.com/recommended-systems/1000-5.1-channel-recommended-system

Also, a forum search of "1000" might show other options.

 

[Jfc]

Idid my research since two weeks ago. Thank you for the link!

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Whooha: I just converted OP's space to feet: 28' x 19' and over 15 ft ceiling height??
Total is about 8000 cuft !!!! That's HUGE space
Edit: Wrong math - it's 37.5ft x 25 x 20 ft - almost 20k ft^3

This setup would sound like speaker on mobile phone.
You can keep the AVR, but all the speakers needs to be upgraded significantly to even hope to perform somewhat good in that HUGE space.

If the measurements are right, I highly recommend this setup:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3hppkg.html
specifically Hybrid 3 HP - 5.1 package.
After shipping and AVR cost+shipping - it's almost double your budget, but honestly you'd be overloading the poor Wavecrest to point of breaking and Dayton 1200 will do nothing but fart in that space.

 

[Jfc]

Sorry, that is an error. It was measured in inches and not in feet. My mistake...

 

[herbu]

Whooha: I just converted OP's space to feet: 28' x 19' and over 15 ft ceiling height??
Total is about 8000 cuft !!!! That's HUGE space

Yep, I guesstimated that too... but didn't want to kick him in the gut. However, you are right. Better to tell him.

Jfc,
BSA is 100% right. $1000 for a 5.1 home theater in that size room will be less than satisfactory. But that's the good news. The bad news is how much it will really cost.

 

[herbu]

Sorry, that is an error. It was measured in inches and not in feet. My mistake...

Still... 450" x 300" x 250" = 37.5' x 25' x 21' = 19,687 ft3, or 937 ft2 w/ a very high ceiling. A big space.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Still... 450" x 300" x 250" = 37.5' x 25' x 21' = 19,687 ft3, or 937 ft2 w/ a very high ceiling. A big space.

oops. my conversion is incorrect. Herbu is right - almost 20k ft3 - This space normally calls for several of AH Extreme rated subs

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Sorry, that is an error. It was measured in inches and not in feet. My mistake...

Inches vs feet is not a problem to convert, but if numbers are correct, your $1000 budget for 5.1 is out the window. Ether hope for somewhat ok 2.1 or increase your budget much much more

 

[herbu]

This space normally calls for several of AH Extreme rated subs

Right... and that's the "bad news" I mentioned. "Several of AH Extreme rated subs", each of which costs more than $1k.

Jfc, don't get discouraged. Just don't expect theater-quality sound.

 

[Jfc]

Thanks for the advice. I'm staying in a 1 bedroom apt where it is an open area with kitchen and dining area. I might go with 2.1 on a book shelf and later buy a floor stand spkr. This will be a project for me. So do you think denon x2100 will be a nice receiver? I like the direct mode or pure audio option for 2 channel music listening.

 

[KEW]

Is that a lofted apartment? 21' high ceilings are not standard issue in apartments!

Are you wanting whole room sound? or will you be generally sitting on the sofa and listening.

What percentage music vs home theater?

 

[Jfc]

I just want the sala area to be filled with sound.

Sorry for the measurement. Should be 12 ft. Wide, x 12 ft length x 8ft height. I was surprised I'm poor with math. Hehe.

60% music, 40% movies.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I think instead of inches you've ment to say cm. 12x12x8 is a small room and I would recommend to go back to your original setup with few changes:
Replace surround speakers for something cheaper ngx satellite speakers for example and swap dayton for ngx bas500 sub. You could find it on sale for about $200

 

[Jfc]

It's not inches anymore, its by feet.

 

[KEW]

I agree with BSA, now that we have the correct dimensions, your original plan is very good.

BSA, I'm not sure the NGX sub is really an improvement over the Dayton. If you look at measurements (links below), the Dayton has 2-3Hz more extension and is slightly tighter.
The Dayton is 42 pounds vs the NGX at 35 pounds. Dimensions are 16.75"x16.5"x17.75" (HWD) for the Dayton and 18"x14.75"x17.75" (HWD) for the NGX. Aside from the nice looking gold driver, I can't find any concrete basis on which to recommend the NGX. It may be the NGX would spank the Dayton on output, but without data, I'm inclined to go with the brand that specs 120 watts RMS (Dayton) over 500 watts "dynamic power" (NGX).

If you open the two links in different windows and enlarge the charts, you can line it up so the graphs jump when you switch windows, making it very easy to detect the differences (which is good, because it is hard to interpret precise numbers off of them).

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-subwoofer-reviews/67178-nxg-nx-bas-500-subwoofer-review.html

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-subwoofer-reviews/71766-dayton-audio-sub-1200-subwoofer-review.html

 

[Jfc]

Thank you for the links. I'm more into music, do you think I better get a sealed subwoofer?

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Lets ask the tester himself, @theJman is frequent flyer in these parts.

Kurn, I could be wrong , but I think it's the NGX has few extra dbd in extension over dayton...
but tbh - both results are quite close and neither of them is really that great.
Dayton is slightly more tidy indeed.
If opportunity exist, I would look for nice 2nd hand sub. Only recently I saw a bit older HSU's VTF-2 for $200 in Dallas's CL

 

[KEW]

Thank you for the links. I'm more into music, do you think I better get a sealed subwoofer?

If you can afford the PSA XS15 (which is currently on sale for $600) that would be an excellent sub for music. Below that price, you have the SVS SB1000 at $500, but it does not offer the level of performance I would expect for the price increase over the Dayton. The Dayton is a cost-performance sweet spot. For music, and especially with the current sale, the XS15 is the next significant sweet spot I am familiar with, and since your room size offers plenty of room gain and is not going to challenge output capability, I can't think of a sub that would give you much better music performance at any price.

 

[zieglj01]

Someone needs to do the NXG and Dayton side by side in the same room

More on the NXG here
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/review-nxg-nx-bas-500-subwoofer-page-2