Pioneer THX Receiver pre outs

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Gov

Senior Audioholic
I have been using my Pioneer VSX-1014TX as a pre amp to an Emotiva LPA-1 amplifier. I have not had any issue, but wondered how the Pioneer's fare as a pre amp. I have often heard that Yamaha's are great as a pre amp, so I wanted to know if the Pioneer THX receivers stack up.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I can't answer how they stack up, but I can say that I've been very happy with my Pioneer 1015 as a pre-amp. I am surprised at how hot the receiver gets, even with the speakers set to off. Other than that (which is a very minor issue to me), though, it's great.
 
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Gov

Senior Audioholic
I guess the real test is how does in two channel stereo. I have no other experiences to draw from since the Pioneer is the only pre-amp I have ever had. I always wonder if I am missing something by not having a true pre-amp.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
I guess the real test is how does in two channel stereo. I have no other experiences to draw from since the Pioneer is the only pre-amp I have ever had. I always wonder if I am missing something by not having a true pre-amp.
By the mere fact you wonder that, you will likely perceive a positive difference by going to a true stand alone pre-amp.

Please note the emphasized term. A true audible difference and a perceived difference can be two entirely different things. The human perspective is easily fooled in these matters by even the slightest expectation or sub-conscious bias.

I used to use audiophile gear(Stereophile Class B dedicated stereo pre-amp, McIntosh amplifiers, etc.) until I realized just how much of it was dependent on psychological factors, not real performance differences. Today, I eschew most of the high end electronics, and I currently use a Yamaha RX-V2600 receiver in my 2 channel dedicated music system along with professional Yamaha amplifiers. Not an audiophile pre-amp or amp in sight, and I'm happier now, as I get better performance for the dollar, FAR BETTER performance for the dollar. If I thought that even the slightest bit of real audible compromise was in effect, I would not use this gear, and instead, I would still have the so-called high-end gear.

Put the real money where it counts: speakers and room acoustics.

-Chris
 
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tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
I'd first started playing with the idea of using the pre-amps and external amplification with my receiver back with a Denon AVR-3803. While this receiver did very well by itself, I did feel it performed slightly better at higher volumes with a dedicated amp for my mains. Whether this was actual or perceptual is debatable, but with my room size and the volume I preferred to listen to music and movies at times, I felt the change was an improvement. Since my first foray into this type of configuration, I've used an Outlaw 755 200x5, bridged Behringer A500s and a Sunfire Grande Cinema 200x5 (currently in use) for my main system and have never wanted for more power. By no means to I listen at ear-bleeding levels on the norm, there are times I prefer to turn it up and I feel more comfortable knowing the power is there when I want it.

When I changed my Denon out for a Yamaha RX-V2500, I felt the pre-amp stage on the Yamaha was noticeably better. Again, this is subjective and could be placebo effect, but as attached as I was to the Denon, I don't think I was more biased towards the Yamaha. I was (and still am, using it in my secondary system) thrilled with the pre-amp performance of the RX-V2500 on many levels, however I felt its two channel performance could be ever so slightly better.

Out of curiosity, I ordered an Emotiva MMC-1 pre/pro and swapped out my RX-V2500 to see if I could notice any difference in performance. In all honesty, the only improvement I have been able to perceive is with two channel sources, the multichannel source, whether hi-res audio or movie soundtracks, is imperceptible for me. Again, as Chris alluded to, this could be placebo as what I was looking for was better two channel performance, but I think all but the tone deaf would notice a difference. If it weren't for Emotiva's 40% discount on next model pre/pro's, I probably would've sent the MMC-1 back as the Yamaha beats it hands down on features, functionality and holds its own for most of its performance and presentation.

I'm sure the 1014's pre-amp section does a fine job on it's own, but there is a chance you'll notice a difference with a higher quality pre-amp section in either a step up in the Pioneer models, a change to a different manufacturer's receiver with a better performing pre-amp or possibly even a standalone pre/pro. The question is will the difference be enough to justify the change for you. If you haven't done any kind of room acoustic treatment or aren't completely satisfied with your speakers, those two areas will likely make a larger impact on performance than a pre-amp change... -TD
 
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