Pioneer SP-FS51 suddenly "blown", but all speakers still work individually..

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FLF

Audiophyte
First and foremost, I know almost nothing about audio equipment

I was running a single Pioneer SP-FS51 through my receiver using my phone. I accidently had the volume turned way down on my phone and the volume way up on my receiver to compensate. I then changed the input to my television with the volume still jacked up and it was extremely loud for a few seconds until my hand got down to the knob..

The next day I put some music on and notice theres no high-ends in the music. I held my ear up to the 4 speakers in the tower and definitely hear nothing coming from the tweeter, second speaker down sounds normal, and the two lower (woofers?) arent loud but they are producing sound. My brother and I took each speaker out of the tower last night and tested them with the receiver output directly to the terminals on the back and every speaker still works with no visible damage.

Now, I've come across multiple forum posts online about people blowing these tweeters out and replacing them, but Im pretty sure mine sounded okay when hooking it up directly to the wires from my receiver...Im guessing my problem here is the crossover? Having a hard time finding anything online specifically about repair on this speaker.

Was hoping you guys could point me in the correct direction. Thanks!
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Yes, sounds like it’s the crossover. Surprising that it would get damaged in only a few seconds, though...

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
First and foremost, I know almost nothing about audio equipment

I was running a single Pioneer SP-FS51 through my receiver using my phone. I accidently had the volume turned way down on my phone and the volume way up on my receiver to compensate. I then changed the input to my television with the volume still jacked up and it was extremely loud for a few seconds until my hand got down to the knob..

The next day I put some music on and notice theres no high-ends in the music. I held my ear up to the 4 speakers in the tower and definitely hear nothing coming from the tweeter, second speaker down sounds normal, and the two lower (woofers?) arent loud but they are producing sound. My brother and I took each speaker out of the tower last night and tested them with the receiver output directly to the terminals on the back and every speaker still works with no visible damage.

Now, I've come across multiple forum posts online about people blowing these tweeters out and replacing them, but Im pretty sure mine sounded okay when hooking it up directly to the wires from my receiver...Im guessing my problem here is the crossover? Having a hard time finding anything online specifically about repair on this speaker.

Was hoping you guys could point me in the correct direction. Thanks!
Were both speakers damaged, or just one?
You should go ahead and contact Pioneer and inquire what it would cost to replace the crossover.
Look at the crossover to make sure you could swap it out without any major issues - usually mounted with wood screws and spade type press on wire connections.
You need to know the cost in case it works out less expensive to upgrade them.
Chances are it is only one or two inexpensive components of teh crossover that are damaged, but I know my local repair shop charges $75 for a diagnosis and they you start paying for work after that (maybe he would reduce the diagnosis since it is a speaker instead of an amplifier!

Just to give you something for comparison, the newer SP-FS52 goes for $200/pr with free shipping:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/884051-REG/Pioneer_SP_FS52_Andrew_Jones_Designed.html/?ap=y&gclid=Cj0KCQiAp7DiBRDdARIsABIMfoCfmoQRvWrJYZ2HUIT1wjHFsj0_fGtbwxxFj0wX-usXXzotfXL_EKAaAoVuEALw_wcB&lsft=BI:514&smp=Y

Next up in price would be the Boston Acoustics A250 for $225/pr, shipped:
https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/bosa250gba/boston-acoustics-a250-5.25-2-way-floor-standing-speaker-black-each/1.html

Here is a pair of used SP-FS51's for $117 from ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/p/Pioneer-SP-FS51-LR-Floor-Standing-Speakers/114137985?iid=283339990844&chn=ps&thm=3000
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
If the driver still works then you probably have the capacitor in the high pass filter blown open. It probably is a very low quality cap, in this case it might have acted like a fuse and protected the tweeter.
 
F

FLF

Audiophyte
Yeah, ive got two but only had one hooked up for space reasons and one is already overkill for the room.

Pioneer no longer sells parts for this speaker as it's been discontinued. Is there any easy way to tell what's blown up with a multimeter? Someone else suggested I touch parts of the crossover with a paperclip and when the sound comes back, that's my bad part. I tried all that yesterday afternoon but could get no change out of it.

I did notice one wire on the crossover that looked like it was coming off the circuitboard a bit but nothing changed upon wiggling it/sticking a paperclip in it. It looked so minimal though, I can try to get a photo.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Yeah, ive got two but only had one hooked up for space reasons and one is already overkill for the room.

Pioneer no longer sells parts for this speaker as it's been discontinued. Is there any easy way to tell what's blown up with a multimeter? Someone else suggested I touch parts of the crossover with a paperclip and when the sound comes back, that's my bad part. I tried all that yesterday afternoon but could get no change out of it.

I did notice one wire on the crossover that looked like it was coming off the circuitboard a bit but nothing changed upon wiggling it/sticking a paperclip in it. It looked so minimal though, I can try to get a photo.
If you can post a close up that can identify the parts that would be helpful, the cap for the high pass portion should be quite small.
 
F

FLF

Audiophyte
Alright heres some photos of what I've got. You can see the middle black wire looks like it's come unglued a bit but I think the connection is still there. Also, I think the attached purple and black wire are the ones that go to the tweeter....but you guys probably knew that!
 

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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Alright heres some photos of what I've got. You can see the middle black wire looks like it's come unglued a bit but I think the connection is still there. Also, I think the attached purple and black wire are the ones that go to the tweeter....but you guys probably knew that!
I can't identify the yellow one. If you have a multimeter, you can easily find out which one failed. Can you see the specs on the yellow one? It looks like a capacitor too.
 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Alright here are some more detailed shots of the yellow thing and the solders on the underside as well. Does anything look out of place? Thanks for the help everyone!
Maybe it is a weird reflection or something, but is that discoloration on the outside of the black capacitor? It looks like it could have overheated. Any smells around it?
 
F

FLF

Audiophyte
Just checked it out, looks like run of the mill dust to me. No off smells
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Just because they look good does not mean they have not failed. If there are no other parts on the other side of the circuit board then, one or both of the yellow and black capacitor must be the culprit and most likely have blown open, otherwise your tweeter would be able to make some sound.

If you don't have a multi-meter, and can't borrow one, then I suggest you bite the bullet and replaced both capacitors.

This seems like a very basic 2 way crossover, with only 5 parts. The capacitors are only rated 100 V, that seems too low for comfort, I would replace them with higher voltage ones, say 250 V or higher. They don't cost much anyway.
 
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FLF

Audiophyte
I do have a multimeter but am not sure how to use it and what I'd even be looking for. I can figure it out though. I would touch each of the multimeter ends to the top and underside solder? What results should I be looking for? What is that longer black-wrapped tube on the underside of the circuit board?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I do have a multimeter but am not sure how to use it and what I'd even be looking for. I can figure it out though. I would touch each of the multimeter ends to the top and underside solder? What results should I be looking for? What is that longer black-wrapped tube on the underside of the circuit board?
Most low cost multimeters cannot measure capacitance, but some can, such as THIS $20 one.

If yours do not have that feature, then you can only check for shorts and opened conditions. Shorts are obviously easy to check, whereas open is a little tricky especially for small capacitance such as the yellow one that can be fully charged by the meter's internal battery momentarily, making it hard to observe the pointer movement (analog) or read the value (digital).

If you put the multimeter selector on continuity check, use the highest range such as X100 or X1000. Make sure the capacitor is fully discharges, then as soon as you put the probes across it, you should see the need move back a little and then go back to infinity. If it does not move at all, not even a touch, then it is "open".

For digital multimeter, you should see the reading rapidly changing for a split second before settling down to show infinity of hundreds of mega ohms. It it shows infinity or high mega ohm value right away, then the capacitor is probably blow opened.

No idea what that black tube is, I actually did not see it until you mentioned it. It is likely a resistor. The picture is not very clear at all and is partially blocked by the file name. It makes more sense to have some parts at the bottom as I was wondering why there are only 5 parts. Andrew Jones may be good but not a magician.:D
 

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