Pioneer Home Theater

K

kerrbust

Audiophyte
Guys,

I am getting close to pulling the trigger on the biggest home theater purchase I have ever made. One minute I think it will be my dream system the next I start thinking is there a better TV or Receiver or Blu Ray player I should consider. Doubt starts creeping in and I go back and scour the Internet and that only confuses the issue even more. Here is what I am considering:

Pioneer Pro- 151 FD 60" Plasma
Pioneer Reciever SC -07tx
Pioneer Blu Ray BDP 05 FD

This is a huge investment for me and there are guys in these forum's way more savvy than me. I am just looking for advice and other options that I might consider before doing the deal. Thanks for the help.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
That's a lot of AVR and very nice.

What are you powering?
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Guys,
Pioneer Pro- 151 FD 60" Plasma
Pioneer Reciever SC -07tx
Pioneer Blu Ray BDP 05 FD
The KURO is probably the best looking plasma out there. 60" is big but for that amount of money you could look at a projector and screen.

What are the features that brought you to these models? Are you getting a deal because you are buying all Pioneer?
 
K

kerrbust

Audiophyte
I really got into Martin Logan speakers about 4 years ago:

Center- Fresco
Fronts- Mosaic not electro static but ATF
Sub-Depth Subwoofer
Rears Axiom QS-8's

I have been thinking about getting the \following to complete my HTS:

Center- M/L Matinee Electrostatic
Fronts- Source Electrostatic
Rears- Vingette's

This would complete my Home Theater System
 
K

kerrbust

Audiophyte
My room doesn't work for a projector. Right now I have an older 65" Mitsubishi RPTV I am so used to the size of the 65" I didn't want to go less than 60" on the Pioneer TV. I was thinking about the products working together and thought that by staying in the pioneer family that would provide the best function between equipment. That may not be correct thinking don't know for sure.
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
I was thinking about the products working together and thought that by staying in the pioneer family that would provide the best function between equipment. That may not be correct thinking don't know for sure.
This is somewhat true that the remotes may work without having to program them and the new HDMI control functions will work and there should be no handshake issues. I'm not trying to discourage you I've owned Pioneer Elite products in the past and liked them.

I'm not sure that the amp section would handle those electrostatic speakers. From what I understand they are very hard to drive. A poster name Bandfan is an ML owner and should chime in at some point.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The Source Electrostatic have a Sensitivity of 90 dB/2.83 and Impedance of 5. If it were me, I would consider seperates for a system like this.

All that being said, this would make a very nice system and the AVR would likely drive the speakers. If it will not, adding an amp would be an easy fix.

The TV is awesome and the Blu Ray should do you just fine.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I know Logans require some juice, but I was always under the impression that it was a little overstated. The Elite amps sections are pretty robust. I can't imagine you'd starve them with a quality 140 watts.

Anyway, nice system choice. I have the 94 and I'm quite please with the performance and features. I've only seen the Pioneer Plasmas a couple of times, but they are impressive TV's and by all accounts are the current leader as far flat screens go in most people's opinions.

I went through this same exercise not but a few months ago so I totally get where you're at on this. The reality, at the level of stuff you're looking at, you're not going to make a mistake. All the equipment you've chosen are fine pieces... the alternative you may have in your head are also very fine pieces... I'm sure of that... so go with your gut. It's doubtful you'll gleam anything new from further analysis. You've picked out great stuff... the only think you're doing at this point is delaying your enjoyment of a really top notch music and HT setup.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I wouldn't match brands just for the sake of it. Heck, a URC RF-20 remote + blaster is $75 last I checked. Yeah, you can hide your components now too if you want.

I also encourage the separates route. Even if its an entry receiver + amp. When you pick a receiver, please choose by the feature set. Just don't think because it costs more that you are even going to need 1/10 of what it does.

If entry receiver acting as pre is ok, you can try Yamaha 663 + amp of choice, whether Emotiva, Outlaw, NAD, Rotel, Sunfire, etc. Used and refurbed are fine in my experiences.

The Yam has limited bass mgmt, and will not matrix hi def bitstreams for HT. It still wouldn't surprise me if it suited you 100% fine. The point is to just zone in on the features you need, because IMO most people don't need what a lot of these things do.

With the money saved, you can upgrade the sub, or get another one. Or room treatments. Or speaker upgrade, yada yada.

If you are interested, I will in the near future be putting up a ML Fresco-i for sale. Just waiting on the box that I ordered direct from ML, because I seemed to have lost mine.

Otherwise, if you want to ask me more specific questions, feel free to PM me. I'm decently familiar with ML gear. I use Summits for the stereo.

If you do electrostats for the HT, my warning to you is that you really must love them to do so. I LOVE them for stereo, especially as I listen to darn near 100% acoustical music, but they present some serious compromises in an HT setting, particularly if reference levels are desired for multiple viewers spread out, which happens to be what I desire for the HT. JMO.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Room size would be key in which speakers your looking at. The source is a good speaker in a smaller room, but has some what limited off axis capabilities due to its panel size and could be a lateral move from the mosaics. How is the center going to be postioned? Since the display your looking at will be able to handle the scaling very well, video processing in an avr will not be an issue and I agree that seperates are the way to go, since we all get the codec upgrade bug (although I bet that the power is rated very conservetive on the 07 ;)).
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
I don't know, I'd like to see the manufacturer provide a rating or some indication that it's capable of driving a low impedence load. I'm sure it is capable but how much so I couldn't say. That's the manufacturer's role and they are silent on the issue. http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.SC-07.Kuro?tab=B Maybe somebody with more knowledge of how Class D amps work could provide some more insight on the subject.
I wouldnt be supprised if the 07 and 05 had the same amps. I know pioneer is working in direct conjuction with B&O IcePower as a partner of some type.
 
Phil Taylor

Phil Taylor

Senior Audioholic
Looks like a great system to me. Go ahead and pull the trigger before you second guess yourself to death. :eek:
 
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