Pioneer Elite VSX-76TXVi soon?

[DaveOCP]

I just noticed that Pioneer has done a subtle "repositioning" of their Elite receiver line up on their website. They lowered the MSRP of the 74TXVi by $200...to the same price as the 54TX, and moved it down a few notches on the list. Does anybody have any info on the 76 and 79 receivers?

 

[Team_Canada]

I am wondering the same thing. Here is a post from the Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi vs. Yamaha RXV2600 vs. HK AVR635/7300 by Khellandros66. Note the P.S. paragrapgh at the bottom.

To answer some of your questions,

HDMI - Pioneer transcodes 480i to 480p. 2600 upscalesto 720p/1080i, whether or not this is useful is up to you, IMO VHS/SDTV etc all look like crap no matter what.

USB - Yes your computer will recognize the 74TXvi as USB soundcard. from here you can decode stereo sources including WMP9 encoded files. You can apply PL IIx and NEO:6, THX Music etc.

Big advatages of the 74TXvi - iLINK IEEE1394 allows the 74TXvi to decode DVD-A and SACD jitter free and leaves open doors for more future formats. iPOD connectivity (audiophiles will gripe about the lossy formats all they want but its undeniable, the coolness, ease of use, and dexterity of these units)therefor native connectivity and control is a definite plus for this booming market.

~Bob

PS: The 74TXvi is not ment to replace the 56TXi the upcoming 76TXvi and79TXvi will more then likely be announced in January 2006's CES.

I put up a post asking where he comes by this information and am still waiting for a response.

 

[LEVESQUE]

My contact at Pioneer told me the new 79 would have full digital amps, and 7X240W. It will be a monster.

 

[DaveOCP]

Interesting. I hope Pioneer is able to preserve the sound quality of the 59's MOSFET based amps when they go digital, and this isnt just a quest for "I've got more watts than you" marketing. Digital amps are fantastic for subwoofers, but I'm not a fan of the Sony ES digital amp receivers or Sunfire amplifiers.

Also, LEVESQUE since you seem to know somebody at Pioneer, could you do me a huge favor and ask about just where the heck a replacement is for the Elite DV-F07 DVD player? Every other Pioneer Elite product with the wood side panels has been replaced about 6 times over now, and yet they seem to think that the six year old F07 is still perfectly fine. I returned Sony's new DVP-CX995V the day after I got it. Sony's big changers are still pieces of junk, but at least its specs are up to date. At this point I'd be willing to pay Pioneer $2K to just replace the video circuits of my F07 with those of a 59AVi, since Sony has absolutely no idea how to make a good DVD changer, and Kenwood did one half hearted experiment and never tried again.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

That is strange. I wonder if it has to do with the size of the transformer and capacitors, as well as weight. Hmmm.

Is there a reason why the two DVD players - the 59 and 79, have the same msrp? Is the 79 just the newer version of the 59? They look very different in size.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/album/compare/0,,2076_15020671,00.html

 

[Team_Canada]

That is strange. I wonder if it has to do with the size of the transformer and capacitors, as well as weight. Hmmm.

Is there a reason why the two DVD players - the 59 and 79, have the same msrp? Is the 79 just the newer version of the 59? They look very different in size.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/album/compare/0,,2076_15020671,00.html

The 79 is larger and heavier. The 59 has a better DAC though, 14Bit/216MHz while the 79 has a 14Bit/108MHz DAC.

I would assume that the 59 would have a better picture, probably not noticeable side by side though.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

The 79 is larger and heavier. The 59 has a better DAC though, 14Bit/216MHz while the 79 has a 14Bit/108MHz DAC.

I would assume that the 59 would have a better picture, probably not noticeable side by side though.

Interesting. I know the Denon 3910 has a 12bit/216mhz DAC, and its rated a little higher than the 59AVI. The denon 2910 has the same 12/216 and its rated lower than the 59AVI. I'll try to find the article - not that it matters. I'm sure there's very little if any difference between actual pic quality.

What was the "chroma bug" issue in the 59 player? My buddy just bought the 79 and said that issue was resolved. Not sure what that is.

 

[DaveOCP]

I think DVD player video performance has more to do with the quality of the processor itself (Genesis, Silicon Image, Silicon Optix), as the bitrate and clockspeed. Also, doesnt the video DAC only apply to component and other analog outputs?

 

[Team_Canada]

Interesting. I know the Denon 3910 has a 12bit/216mhz DAC, and its rated a little higher than the 59AVI. The denon 2910 has the same 12/216 and its rated lower than the 59AVI. I'll try to find the article - not that it matters. I'm sure there's very little if any difference between actual pic quality.

What was the "chroma bug" issue in the 59 player? My buddy just bought the 79 and said that issue was resolved. Not sure what that is.

Sorry for the late reply. I only use my unit with an old JVC 32" television so I have not experienced any issues but don't watch too many animated films either. It usually occurs on animated films from say Disney, you will see a flickering problem in solid colors.

Here's a link with alot of info from Secrets Of Home Theater And High Fidelity,
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=122

Scroll down a bit an you will come to the 59AVi.

 

[LEVESQUE]

I was playing with a pre-production 79AVi since august, and now use a "regular" 79Avi since 1 month. The 79AVi is an improved 59AVi in all aspects, particularly the audio side. On the video side, 480i over HDMI is more "direct" and gives a more sharper picture, with less "ringing". The chroma problems of the 59AVi are now solved at the de-interlacer level, but not on the MPEG docoder (really disappointing...).

But make no mistake, paired with a good scaler and good display, the 79AVi is better then the 59AVi in the same set-up, PQ wise.

The price of the 79AVi could be alot higher, but with the upcoming Pioneer Elite Blu-Ray player coming really soon, and for the price they will sell it, they didn't had any choices... They are just putting the price of the 79AVi in line for the upcoming pricing of the Elite Blu-Ray.

I can't say when and how much, but I can say it's sooner then you think, and lower then you think...

So the price of the 79AVi vs 59AVi has nothing to do with what's inside. The 79AVi is heavier, bigger, and build quality is alot better. But Blu-Ray is comnig soon, so they put a price to go with that...

 

[Team_Canada]

I was playing with a pre-production 79AVi since august, and now use a "regular" 79Avi since 1 month. The 79AVi is an improved 59AVi in all aspects, particularly the audio side. On the video side, 480i over HDMI is more "direct" and gives a more sharper picture, with less "ringing". The chroma problems of the 59AVi are now solved at the de-interlacer level, but not on the MPEG docoder (really disappointing...).

But make no mistake, paired with a good scaler and good display, the 79AVi is better then the 59AVi in the same set-up, PQ wise.

The price of the 79AVi could be alot higher, but with the upcoming Pioneer Elite Blu-Ray player coming really soon, and for the price they will sell it, they didn't had any choices... They are just putting the price of the 79AVi in line for the upcoming pricing of the Elite Blu-Ray.

I can't say when and how much, but I can say it's sooner then you think, and lower then you think...

So the price of the 79AVi vs 59AVi has nothing to do with what's inside. The 79AVi is heavier, bigger, and build quality is alot better. But Blu-Ray is comnig soon, so they put a price to go with that...

Cool, what about a 76TXVi receiver?? Is this true?? The 79 sounds like it will be a beast!!

 

[LEVESQUE]

Cool, what about a 76TXVi receiver?? Is this true?? The 79 sounds like it will be a beast!!

Yes. The 79 and 76 will be at CES.

 

[DaveOCP]

Hm, I wonder if Pioneer will replace the DV-F07 with a 300+ disc BD-Rom changer. Now that would be great. Four hundred 50GB BR discs works out to 20 Terrabytes. Not even the $20K movie servers with multiple hdds could come close to that.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

The chroma problems of the 59AVi are now solved at the de-interlacer level, but not on the MPEG docoder (really disappointing...).

The price of the 79AVi could be alot higher, but with the upcoming Pioneer Elite Blu-Ray player coming really soon, and for the price they will sell it, they didn't had any choices... They are just putting the price of the 79AVi in line for the upcoming pricing of the Elite Blu-Ray.

I can't say when and how much, but I can say it's sooner then you think, and lower then you think...

So the price of the 79AVi vs 59AVi has nothing to do with what's inside. The 79AVi is heavier, bigger, and build quality is alot better. But Blu-Ray is comnig soon, so they put a price to go with that...

What exactly is the issue with the MPEG decoder? When is this affecting playback?

What is your guess about Ble-Ray pricing? I've read in PC World mag they will start out around $1000, then after several months come down to the $500 range. Is this way off IYHO?

Since Blu-Ray is just around the corner, I'm anxious to see how fast Blu-Ray DVD's make it to market and what their pricing will be. Hopefully we'll see sub $20 pricing ;^P