Pioneer DV-563a SACD 2 channel has no subwoofer bass

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S205449

Audiophyte
The DV-563a is hooked up to a Marantz SR 6013 receiver with Analog Cables. It uses a 5.1 Surround Sound System with a Klipsch Subwoofer.

The unit works fine with DVD Audio Discs and SACD Multichannel Disks. Only SACD 2 channel discs have the issue of no bass.

Any links that I have found for Firmware Upgrades are all dead links.

Additionally, it does not appear possible to update the settings on this unit. When trying to use the Menus on the front panel to update settings the word “GUI” is displayed. The menu display stops at that point.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
isolar8001

isolar8001

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The DV-563a is hooked up to a Marantz SR 6013 receiver with Analog Cables. It uses a 5.1 Surround Sound System with a Klipsch Subwoofer.

The unit works fine with DVD Audio Discs and SACD Multichannel Disks. Only SACD 2 channel discs have the issue of no bass.

Any links that I have found for Firmware Upgrades are all dead links.

Additionally, it does not appear possible to update the settings on this unit. When trying to use the Menus on the front panel to update settings the word “GUI” is displayed. The menu display stops at that point.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
That player has to be plugged into a tv/monitor to make settings menu changes....obviously it needs adjusted.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
The DV-563a is hooked up to a Marantz SR 6013 receiver with Analog Cables. It uses a 5.1 Surround Sound System with a Klipsch Subwoofer.

The unit works fine with DVD Audio Discs and SACD Multichannel Disks. Only SACD 2 channel discs have the issue of no bass.

Any links that I have found for Firmware Upgrades are all dead links.

Additionally, it does not appear possible to update the settings on this unit. When trying to use the Menus on the front panel to update settings the word “GUI” is displayed. The menu display stops at that point.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
If you're using bass management in the player via analog connections, adjustments would be needed inside the player..
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
If the analog cables from the player’s 5.1 analog ports are connected to the 7.1CH IN ports of the 6013, two channel tracks will not have low range signals sent to a subwoofer. The 7.1 CH IN ports are isolated from bass management. The 2CH analog ports would also need to be connected to the 6013 using any of its 2CH analog input ports for 2CH discs.

The optical/coaxial ports on the player do not work with SACD so those ports are not options here. A newer universal player will support SACD’s DSD signal and DVD-Audio’s multichannel PCM signal over HDMI.

As @isolar8001 mentioned, it needs to be connected to a TV for GUI. I assumed video connections were already made before rereading the original post. The 6013 supports HDMI conversion output of analog video signals from both composite and component video sognals from the player by default. But, if using component cables, 480i is supported for conversion but NOT 480p as the video conversion feature of Denon/Marantz AVRs has been crippled compared to older models.

A new universal player supporting everything over HDMI would benefit from DSP by the receiver when sending a bitstream to it rather than using the analog 7.1 CH IN in which case it is a same in same out affair with DSP locked out.

To get bass from 2CH SACD, the 2CH analog output cables need to be connected to, say the CD 2CH analog ports on the 6013, and the 6013 set to STEREO mode to use bass management using the selected crossover in the receiver settings. Only then, will the subwoofer receive a signal using this particular player when listening to 2CH SACDs.
 
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S205449

Audiophyte
The DV-563a is hooked up to a Marantz SR 6013 receiver with Analog Cables. It uses a 5.1 Surround Sound System with a Klipsch Subwoofer.

The unit works fine with DVD Audio Discs and SACD Multichannel Disks. Only SACD 2 channel discs have the issue of no bass.

Any links that I have found for Firmware Upgrades are all dead links.

Additionally, it does not appear possible to update the settings on this unit. When trying to use the Menus on the front panel to update settings the word “GUI” is displayed. The menu display stops at that point.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thank You for your help.

I didn't have a monitor near the unit so it took awhile to change the set-up.

I changed the speaker settings from large to small on the Initial Settings Menu and that did provide some bass output from the subwoofer for 2 channel SACD's. It had no bass to begin with. However, the bass is not as pronounced as it is for Multichannel Discs.

Not sure about using CD 2CH analog ports. Wouldn't that override the sound quality of an SACD? Just trying to understand.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
I’m surprised there is a signal to the sub even when setting speakers to Small as that is not what is indicated in the manual concerning SACD playback of 2CH DSD signals. But, if it works, great. Unfortunately there is no crossover setting and no telling where it is fixed but one would assume 80Hz.

The DSD signal is already being decoded and converted to PCM before being output from the analog ports to the receiver. When using the 5.1 analog outputs into the analog 7.1 CH IN ports, the receiver does nothing with the signal and only volume is available for adjustment.

When playing 2CH discs and using the 2CH analog ports, you may need to switch audio output from 5.1 CH to 2CH in the player if there is no signal output. If connected to the receiver’s 2Ch analog CD port, the receiver will do an analog to digital conversion for processing and then a digital to analog conversion for output. Unlike the analog 7.1 CH IN, the 2CH analog ports can be bass managed by the receiver and numerous sound modes can be applied to the signal. Be sure to change back to 5.1 CH setting in the player for multichannel discs if having to switch to 2CH for the 2CH SACDs.

You will always notice more bass from 5.1 discs because they contain a Low Frequency Effects channel dedicated to low bass output. A player, AVP or AVR processing 2CH signals to speakers set to Small is simply using a crossover to send the lower frequencies of the two channels to a subwoofer. The Marantz SR6013 will do a better job of it than the Pioneer player.

While DVD-Audio’s MLP compressed multichannel PCM signals and SACD’s DSD 5.1 signals exceed the bandwidth limitations of the optical and coaxial digital ports, they do support Dolby Digital and DTS 5.1 signals from DVD-Video discs. Connect the player to the receiver with a digital cable as well as the analog cables and you can bitstream the signals to the receiver and let it do all of the processing of it.

Some with older receivers have no option but to use an older player and multichannel analog outputs. Those with newer receivers can stop fussing with older players and get a new universal player. A new universal player need only use a single HDMI output connected to a receiver to bitstream ALL of the signals. Then, all of the processing power of the receiver can be utilized.

I have had two different Denon players equipped with multichannel analog outputs connected to two different Denon receivers with multichannel analog inputs. I moved on to an Oppo universal player using HDMI for connection and then on to a couple of Sony universal players using HDMI to Onkyo receivers as I could no longer justify the price of an Oppo player or certain Denon receivers for my particular needs. So far, so good.

I’m not sure of the speaker configuration here, but the advantage of connecting a universal player to a receiver such as the SR6013 using HDMI is that 2.0, 5.1 and 7.1 signals can be up mixed into as many as 11.1 channels using an external amp for two of the channels as the SR6013 can process eleven channels but only power nine. Individual crossover and volume level for each channel can be set manually or using room correction. Various sound modes can be selected using just the channels of the input source signal or up mixing into more channels can be done. Use the 5.1 analog connections from an older player to a receiver’s 7.1 CH IN analog ports and none of the receiver’s processing capabilities will be available to you.
 
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S205449

Audiophyte
Thanks for the great feedback!

I will consider getting a Universal Player.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
The best used Oppo models come at a premium. The Sony UBP-X800M2 offers perhaps the best bang for buck and supports 4K blu-ray, 1080 blu-ray, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, SACD and CD.
 
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S205449

Audiophyte
Thanks Again.

I get confused on DSD.

How would the UBP-X800M2 transfer DSD via HDMI cable to the SR6013? I believe the SR 6013 will accept Native or Direct DSD.

Would that be Bitstream?
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Yes. It can bitstream the DSD signal over HDMI and also convert it to multichannel PCM for those receivers that will not accept a DSD bitstream.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
When the DSD Output Mode in the
UBP-X800M2 is set to Auto, it will bitstream DSD to my receiver.

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When the DSD Output Mode in the UBP-X800M2 is set to OFF, the signal is converted to multichannel PCM for output.

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