Phono Cartridge Burn-in

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Dana F Anderson

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I've read so much about burn-in times for phono cartridges. Is this really necessary? I've read times of from 15 MINUTES to 100 HOURS. Any truth to any of this??
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
If it's anything like cable burn in then no, there's no such thing. Don't trust me tho, my phono knowledge is pretty limited and I don't know diddly about cartridges.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
I've read so much about burn-in times for phono cartridges. Is this really necessary? I've read times of from 15 MINUTES to 100 HOURS. Any truth to any of this??
You can forget about that burn-in audiophool stupidity! Burn-in is not required on cartridges.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I've heard of such, but having used new cartridges many times I've never heard anything particular I'd associate with it. Like speaker "break in" it likely happened fairly quickly and without being anything obvious. Nature of your sonic memory won't help at all, but if someone finds measurable differences that might be interesting....
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
I've read so much about burn-in times for phono cartridges. Is this really necessary? I've read times of from 15 MINUTES to 100 HOURS. Any truth to any of this??
Think! Let's say you've got a new cartridge and you are going to play your records with it rather than another cart. At some point you will have played it for 15 minutes and at some later point you will have used it to play 100 hours of records. You will realize these points whether you believe or disbelieve in cartridge break-in. If the cart did break-in, meaning a change to stylus suspension/stylus polish, you may or may not hear a divergence in sound from the cartridge's initial state. As I recall, I perceived my new JICO SAS stylus assembly seemed to deliver a subtle decrease in output after about 40 hours of play. The records sounded "smoother" although "smoother" is not a description that best describes the cartridge performance. I just do not have a better word for it. At any rate, my most recent experiments comparing and contrasting LPs to CDs of same music reveals my TT/Cartridge/Phono Preamp System delivers sound pretty much indistinguishable from CD sound delivered by Universal Player, until the LP pops.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Please try and stop listening to idiots. Peak performance of a cartridge is when it is brand new, unless it is faulty. From the first time you put the stylus in the groove, friction will start to wear down that stylus. After enough playings, it will get to the point it needs to be replaced, so as not to ruin you records and cause poor performance.

I have to say that is the first time I have heard this nonsense about breaking in cartridges. But this sort of nonsense is just far too common. But if you really stop to think about it, common sense would tell you that it could not be true. Unfortunately common sense is a rare commodity.

Enjoy you turntable! In future find something worthy of your concern.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The nonsense is usually in the transducer part of a cartridge rather than the stylus from what I've seen.....
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The nonsense is usually in the transducer part of a cartridge rather than the stylus from what I've seen.....
Well, that is even more farcical. Unless the cartridge is moving coil, the the fixed part is just plastic and securely fixed stationary coils, and the four wires and connecting pins. Just how can any sort of break in be required for that? How is that for all the education our taxes are put towards, we have such ignorant fools actually graduating with no critical thinking skills at all? How can you even hold a job that requires anything other than a mop and come to believe that? Stupid is as stupid is as stupid does.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
I've owned probably 10 or 20 different phono carts and never heard a difference after a "burn in" period on any of them. I agree with TLS Guy peak performance should be when it is new as it will (slightly) degrade after each play.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I looked around a little on the subject. Got the usual wacky conversation at Steve Hoffman's forum (where our own 3dB was participating and trying to throw some reason into the mix). This from a cartridge manufacturer was interesting, tho https://sound-smith.com/break-periods-soundsmith-cartridges
Well I guess I'm in the habit of aligning my cartridges and turntables with precision. This is actually vital for all turntables. I do know some, probably quite a lot actually, do not allow for all the precise adjustments required, especially azimuth alignment. I suppose with an elliptical stylus misaligned then abnormal wear and therefore what is essentially damage to the stylus, might improve performance. In other words the errors might conceivably cancel each other. I doubt you would get that lucky though.

The Shure article is all to do with scratch DJs, who are professional abusers of turntables and cartridges.

I will say this, that in this plug and play era, I think people new to turntables run into problems. I think they do not always make sensible equipment choices. Even more importantly they do not realize the importance of critical adjustments and how to perform them. Setting up a turntable properly is a definite skill set and has to be properly taught and learned. I can tell you one thing, that now I'm in my geriatric era of life it is not so easy any more. Setting up my four turntables after our recent move, seemed to be much harder than it used to be!

In closing I can not emphasize how far removed is the purchase, and putting into service, a turntable is from a digital disc player. It is a completely different ball game. Doing it carefully and properly makes all the difference between good and poor sound, and this is not a subtle difference. I have a strong suspicion that many, if not most, turntables are relatively poor performers due to not enough attention to detail in set up.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The Shure was interesting, and I forgot to mention, in that I believe Shure generally says no break-in was required of their cartridges....
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
Well I guess I'm in the habit of aligning my cartridges and turntables with precision. This is actually vital for all turntables. I do know some, probably quite a lot actually, do not allow for all the precise adjustments required, especially azimuth alignment. I suppose with an elliptical stylus misaligned then abnormal wear and therefore what is essentially damage to the stylus, might improve performance. In other words the errors might conceivably cancel each other. I doubt you would get that lucky though.

The Shure article is all to do with scratch DJs, who are professional abusers of turntables and cartridges.

I will say this, that in this plug and play era, I think people new to turntables run into problems. I think they do not always make sensible equipment choices. Even more importantly they do not realize the importance of critical adjustments and how to perform them. Setting up a turntable properly is a definite skill set and has to be properly taught and learned. I can tell you one thing, that now I'm in my geriatric era of life it is not so easy any more. Setting up my four turntables after our recent move, seemed to be much harder than it used to be!

In closing I can not emphasize how far removed is the purchase, and putting into service, a turntable is from a digital disc player. It is a completely different ball game. Doing it carefully and properly makes all the difference between good and poor sound, and this is not a subtle difference. I have a strong suspicion that many, if not most, turntables are relatively poor performers due to not enough attention to detail in set up.
You are sooo right on this. That's why I had my TT and cart aligned at the dealer when I purchased it. Of course its a Rega Planar 3 with a Rega Carbon cart so the conical stylus is fairly easy to align. I did purchase an LP Gear elliptical stylus upgrade for the cart and it sounds fine (to me).
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
Please try and stop listening to idiots. Peak performance of a cartridge is when it is brand new, unless it is faulty. From the first time you put the stylus in the groove, friction will start to wear down that stylus. After enough playings, it will get to the point it needs to be replaced, so as not to ruin you records and cause poor performance.

I have to say that is the first time I have heard this nonsense about breaking in cartridges. But this sort of nonsense is just far too common. But if you really stop to think about it, common sense would tell you that it could not be true. Unfortunately common sense is a rare commodity.

Enjoy you turntable! In future find something worthy of your concern.
Idiots? Are the folks at Shure idiots? Their information does not distinguish that break-in is conditioned on application.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
You are sooo right on this. That's why I had my TT and cart aligned at the dealer when I purchased it. Of course its a Rega Planar 3 with a Rega Carbon cart so the conical stylus is fairly easy to align. I did purchase an LP Gear elliptical stylus upgrade for the cart and it sounds fine (to me).
Good your dealer was able to align your cart. The Rega design requires some finesse to get things aligned properly. Although I like Rega TT's, I purchased a Technics instead, primarily for features which make cartridge alignment and cartridge switching relatively easy proceedures.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Think! Let's say you've got a new cartridge and you are going to play your records with it rather than another cart. At some point you will have played it for 15 minutes and at some later point you will have used it to play 100 hours of records. You will realize these points whether you believe or disbelieve in cartridge break-in. If the cart did break-in, meaning a change to stylus suspension/stylus polish, you may or may not hear a divergence in sound from the cartridge's initial state. As I recall, I perceived my new JICO SAS stylus assembly seemed to deliver a subtle decrease in output after about 40 hours of play. The records sounded "smoother" although "smoother" is not a description that best describes the cartridge performance. I just do not have a better word for it. At any rate, my most recent experiments comparing and contrasting LPs to CDs of same music reveals my TT/Cartridge/Phono Preamp System delivers sound pretty much indistinguishable from CD sound delivered by Universal Player, until the LP pops.
How would you be able to tell if the output dropped after 40 hours if you didn't measure the voltage? There's no way you could have been isolated from noises that could (and DID) affect your hearing. Driving with a window open is enough to affect your hearing threshold, at least temporarily.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Well I guess I'm in the habit of aligning my cartridges and turntables with precision. This is actually vital for all turntables. I do know some, probably quite a lot actually, do not allow for all the precise adjustments required, especially azimuth alignment. I suppose with an elliptical stylus misaligned then abnormal wear and therefore what is essentially damage to the stylus, might improve performance. In other words the errors might conceivably cancel each other. I doubt you would get that lucky though.

The Shure article is all to do with scratch DJs, who are professional abusers of turntables and cartridges.

I will say this, that in this plug and play era, I think people new to turntables run into problems. I think they do not always make sensible equipment choices. Even more importantly they do not realize the importance of critical adjustments and how to perform them. Setting up a turntable properly is a definite skill set and has to be properly taught and learned. I can tell you one thing, that now I'm in my geriatric era of life it is not so easy any more. Setting up my four turntables after our recent move, seemed to be much harder than it used to be!

In closing I can not emphasize how far removed is the purchase, and putting into service, a turntable is from a digital disc player. It is a completely different ball game. Doing it carefully and properly makes all the difference between good and poor sound, and this is not a subtle difference. I have a strong suspicion that many, if not most, turntables are relatively poor performers due to not enough attention to detail in set up.
When I started working at a stereo shop, we had several alignment protractors and scales for setting the tracking force and if someone wanted, we would use an oscilloscope to do more fine adjusting. That was in the late-'70s. Now, I doubt many people working in AV stores even know why we did all of that.

I found a B&O turntable at Goodwill for $20, so I bought it. It had a bad stylus, and I should have checked into how much a replacement would cost, but I ended up getting a deal on one, so it's not a total loss when/if I can sell it. I was driving near another Goodwill store and decided to try my luck again and as I was approaching, I though that it would be good to find a microscope for checking the styli on my cartridges, especially my Denon 103d which I hadn't used in years because A) I had needed to become familiar with AV receivers and removed my equipment with a phono preamp and B), Denon, the brand I chose to sell didn't have a phono preamp. I didn't really want little boxes cluttering the cabinet and shelves, so I did without. Once I found nothing of interest at Goodwill, I turned to leave and spotted a cart at the end of an aisle- sitting on top was a nice little microscope with LED lighting and fresh batteries. Best thirteen bucks I have spent in a long time.

I checked my styli and found that the wear was minimal, so I decided to check the alignment of both cartridges and used my Shure and Telarc test discs. Took a while, but it was definitely worth it.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
How would you be able to tell if the output dropped after 40 hours if you didn't measure the voltage? There's no way you could have been isolated from noises that could (and DID) affect your hearing. Driving with a window open is enough to affect your hearing threshold, at least temporarily.
Here's how, SPL from mains went down from volume pre-set, which required 8db volume control gain to recover.
 
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