Paradigm Studio 100 on an 100W receiver

[vo2max]

I was supposed to have the studio 60 but dealer has no available set and not in the near future. A studio 100 and a studio 20 is available though.

Got an Onkyo TX-SR706 (100 watt receiver). Will the studio 100 be under-power with the onkyo 100? My room space is only 6mtrs x 4mtrs.

 

[j_garcia]

That receiver is probably the bare minimum that I would try to run Studios with. The 100s dip pretty low in impedance and have a larger compliment of drivers compared to the 60s. I honestly wouldn't run the 60s off of that receiver either, but that is just me. The good news is, your receiver has preamp outs to be used with an external amp. If you go with the 100s, I'd get at least a 2ch amp to run them with. You should be able to drive them with that receiver, but I don't think you'll be getting the most out of them. I'd consider the 20s and put the difference from the 100s towards the best sub you can get.

 

[vo2max]

That receiver is probably the bare minimum that I would try to run Studios with. The 100s dip pretty low in impedance and have a larger compliment of drivers compared to the 60s. I honestly wouldn't run the 60s off of that receiver either, but that is just me. The good news is, your receiver has preamp outs to be used with an external amp. If you go with the 100s, I'd get at least a 2ch amp to run them with. You should be able to drive them with that receiver, but I don't think you'll be getting the most out of them. I'd consider the 20s and put the difference from the 100s towards the best sub you can get.

Thanks for the input j_g.
Thats also what my friendly dealer told me. So i guess i'll have to settle for the 20 then. If its a 20, then my set-up would most likely be:
20 front, CC-590 center, adp-190 surround and an SVS sub.

i will be auditioning a monitor 11 too. any first hand inputs perhaps on which one is a better choice?

Btw congrats on your HT, really very nice set-up you got there. Surely you got the best sub that you can get. wow

 

[j_garcia]

There is a thread here about the 11s and nearly all of us here recommended going with the Studios over the Monitors. I would take 20s with a great sub (SVS ) over the 11s any day. The CC590 is far better than the centers from the Monitor line.

A buddy of mine custom built that sub and I am very happy with it, thanks!

 

[vo2max]

Thanks again j.
Its quite late here and time to sleep as have been doing a few hours of research. Studio over the monitor - i know i won't be wrong here on my choice.
Thanks again and happy listening.

 

[JerryLove]

I don't know why Paradigm stopped making the 40.

 

[j_garcia]

I don't know why Paradigm stopped making the 40.

I don't think people were buying them, but I feel they were probably the best speaker in the lineup. They were too close to the 60s though (essentially the same driver array in a smaller cabinet), in which case most people just went with 60s instead.

 

[popotoys]

How are you planning on running the 100's.... full range, cross over with sub?? Partnered with a sub I would think your reciever might be fine then.

 

[Warpdrv]

How are you planning on running the 100's.... full range, cross over with sub?? Partnered with a sub I would think your reciever might be fine then.

I agree 100%...

Do you already own this receiver... ?

from your other (studio 60) thread, you stated you were going to go with a SVS sub, I think you would be ok with the 100's with this receiver, but I would try to find a receiver with preamp outputs in case you would like to add an outboard amp down the line...

 

[j_garcia]

The 70x series does have good amps, but most receivers just don't have the oomph to run a full compliment of Studios properly, certainly not one involving 100s, IMHO. The original choice of going with the 60s, with them crossed over would be the right way to go, but as he said, they don't have them right now. I have run both 40s and 20s in my systems and they really do like a lot of power. They sound good with average power, but they really show their true capabilities with more of it. With my receiver @ 120w, the 40s still felt like they could be pushed harder, though I do have a large room. My buddy had 20s powered by a Marantz 9300 pushing 140w and even in a HUGE room, they sounded very happy.

 

[oppman99]

I was supposed to have the studio 60 but dealer has no available set and not in the near future. A studio 100 and a studio 20 is available though.

Got an Onkyo TX-SR706 (100 watt receiver). Will the studio 100 be under-power with the onkyo 100? My room space is only 6mtrs x 4mtrs.

I'm surprised the dealer didn't offer to order a pair of the 60's if you wanted them. The Paradigm dealer I've dealt with would have. Are you getting a deal on what they have on hand?

Are you looking for mainly music or HT use? If the percentage is more HT, then I say definately go with the 20's and a good sub. If music is your focus, I'd wait a little bit and go with the 100's. If you go with 20's/sub, you might even have enough left over for a 3 or 5 channel amp. Studios love extra power. They sound good being run off a reciever, but really open up with some extra juice.

 

[vo2max]

How are you planning on running the 100's.... full range, cross over with sub?? Partnered with a sub I would think your reciever might be fine then.

It will be crossed oved with a sub (SVS).

I agree 100%...

Do you already own this receiver... ?

from your other (studio 60) thread, you stated you were going to go with a SVS sub, I think you would be ok with the 100's with this receiver, but I would try to find a receiver with preamp outputs in case you would like to add an outboard amp down the line...

Will buying a receiver. Other option is TX-SR806 (130W)
Yup it will be with an SVS sub. I would think that the 706 has preamp outputs?

I'm surprised the dealer didn't offer to order a pair of the 60's if you wanted them. The Paradigm dealer I've dealt with would have. Are you getting a deal on what they have on hand?

Are you looking for mainly music or HT use? If the percentage is more HT, then I say definately go with the 20's and a good sub. If music is your focus, I'd wait a little bit and go with the 100's. If you go with 20's/sub, you might even have enough left over for a 3 or 5 channel amp. Studios love extra power. They sound good being run off a reciever, but really open up with some extra juice.

As i understand the 60's here are not fast moving so the dealer will just be carrying the 20's and the 100's instead. At least that was what i was told.
It will be 60/40 video/audio.

Meantime have order just now the 20's with a pair of cc-590 to be run by an SR-706. I brought up the idea of upping the receiver to an SR806 but was advised that the 706 would be okay for now. and for future upgrades i could go for either the 60's or 100's and an added amp on the fronts.
Ultimately the deciding factor was the room size (4mx6m) which the 100 could be an overkill.

Btw I will have a chance also to audition a B&W 683.

Thanks guys for the inputs and it was a great help.

 

[PENG]

Meantime have order just now the 20's with a pair of cc-590 to be run by an SR-706. I brought up the idea of upping the receiver to an SR806 but was advised that the 706 would be okay for now. and for future upgrades i could go for either the 60's or 100's and an added amp on the fronts.
Ultimately the deciding factor was the room size (4mx6m) which the 100 could be an overkill.

You feed it with so much current, it gets you so much SPL. Your room (assuming the missing dimension is less than 10') is not that big, so you should be able to get the SPL you need and an external amp would help mostly when you listen to music that has huge peaks within the low/mid frequency range.

When you asked questions you did, you would get mainly opinions. The 706 is a lower mid end receiver, so as long it is working within its limits in terms of continuous and dynamic power capabilities, facts do not support things like "opening up with more power" especially when you have a sub. I recognize the Studio 100 has dips in impedance, but it is the SPL produced by the current it draws, at the frequencies where it dips that counts.

In my opinion, you have made a wise choice that will give you a lot of flexibility down the road. Since you mentioned B&W, I suggest you listen to the 800 series if you are serious enough about sound quality for music listening. I really don't think the 600 series can compete with the Studios.

 

[vo2max]

You feed it with so much current, it gets you so much SPL. Your room (assuming the missing dimension is less than 10') is not that big, so you should be able to get the SPL you need and an external amp would help mostly when you listen to music that has huge peaks within the low/mid frequency range.

When you asked questions you did, you would get mainly opinions. The 706 is a lower mid end receiver, so as long it is working within its limits in terms of continuous and dynamic power capabilities, facts do not support things like "opening up with more power" especially when you have a sub. I recognize the Studio 100 has dips in impedance, but it is the SPL produced by the current it draws, at the frequencies where it dips that counts.

In my opinion, you have made a wise choice that will give you a lot of flexibility down the road. Since you mentioned B&W, I suggest you listen to the 800 series if you are serious enough about sound quality for music listening. I really don't think the 600 series can compete with the Studios.

Thanks for the input Peng and glad to know that you're with me in regards to the choice of the 20 over the 100.
The missing dimension is about 8 feet.
Unfortunate that i could not have the B&W 800 series here. It will have to be special ordered. The common one is the 600 series.
I was also considering the SR806 but with abt $400 price difference, i would rather put up an ext amp later for the fronts if ever i upgrade to the 100 fronts and put the 20's at the back. That is why i didn't include the ADP surround for now.

 

[PENG]

I was also considering the SR806 but with abt $400 price difference, i would rather put up an ext amp later for the fronts if ever i upgrade to the 100 fronts and put the 20's at the back. That is why i didn't include the ADP surround for now.

That's exactly why I thought you made a wise choice!
The 100 in your room could make do with the 806 or even the 706 but you won't be happy without the extra current on hand for those <4 ohm dips and up to 30 degree phase angles over the 70 to 500 Hz range.

 

[fox]

If you could make it work, a separate amb for the 100's would be the best. That is what I did and they compliment each other. Enjoy.

 

[vo2max]

Thanks for your inputs guys. This forum is great and has greatly helped me with my decisions.
The set-up should be complete next week. It will kinda take some time for the upgrades as i will be buying the speakers, avr, tv, players, etc all at once.
Good day and happy listening.!

 

[vo2max]

Finally followed my dealers advice on the Paradigm 20's (stand-mounted) instead of the 100's.
CC-590 center and SVS sub completes the set-up for now. Surrounds will follow later. Got the TH-SR706 and Panny P42S10S also.
Would i have been happier with the 100's? I would think so, but for now the 20's are just fine and i am happy with it.
Thanks guys for the help.

 

[oppman99]

Glad you are happy with your choice. Sounds like you have a good start. Now you have options down the road. If you ever feel the 20's are lacking you can add 100's in the future and move the 20's to the back. If the 20's do the job for you, you can save some money and get the 10's for rears later. Beware the upgrade bug! It struck me this week. Enjoy your system!

 

[rawj7]

I was interested in the Studio 60 V5's but I cant audition them and cant find a review, What did you think of them? In comparison with say Polk and Klipch what would sound better for hometheter SCI-FI and Classical music? thanks for any opinions. Oh anyplace to get em online?