Paradigm PW 2100 or PW 2200 Sub Chioce.

[Silvixxer]

Hi I am new new to subs & have recently started upgrading my present HT system & would like to add sub. I understand the PW 2100 10" is a little tighter for music but want the full effect of the Movie experience with the PW 2200 12" without losing out on Music. I use my system for 70% HT along with ( gaming " Xbox" ) 30% music .

Room Size is 11W X 18 Deep.

Anyone using either of these subs that can shed some light on their experiences & why they went with either of these ?

 

[Snarl]

I had the exact same problem, I had to choose between the PW-2100 and PW-2200, I went with the PW-2100 the following two reasons were what finally made my decision for me;

- 10" Woofer I felt would be a little faster for Music (60% Music/40% HT)
- The PW-2100 was about $200.00 Less

Was it the right decision ? I have no Idea, however I can say the PW-2100 Sounds awesome so I assume the PW-2200 would as well, If I had the money I'd probably have gotten the PW-2200 however I needed the Cash for a better AMP and Receiver so I cut costs with the PW-2100 and I purchased the Monitor 7's as rear surrounds, they were cheaper than a Pair of ADP-370's with Stands


My Set-up now is as follows:

2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains
2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds
1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center
1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub

For me I feel the trade off's were well worth it, one day I may even add a second PW-2100, that will more than make up for one PW-2200

 

[Silvixxer]

thanks Snarl for your input, I`m leaning towards the 2200 but wanted to hear what ppl thoughts are of the 2100`s HT experience & of the music with the 2200.
anyone else ?

Cheers

 

[Sheep]

thanks Snarl for your input, I`m leaning towards the 2200 but wanted to hear what ppl thoughts are of the 2100`s HT experience & of the music with the 2200.
anyone else ?

Cheers

Forum member Cygnus has the PW2100, give him a PM and see what he thinks.

As for 10inch cones being "faster"(which is known as transicient response) thats bull. Its all marketing voodoo. The 10inch cone might be a "tad" quicker, but it will have more THD in the low content due to its size disadvantage. The 12inch will sound less boomy because it will not have to work as hard to deliver low bass. THD is much easier to detect then Group Delay.

SheepStar

 

[BassHead]

Hi I am new new to subs & have recently started upgrading my present HT system & would like to add sub. I understand the PW 2100 10" is a little tighter for music but want the full effect of the Movie experience with the PW 2200 12" without losing out on Music. I use my system for 70% HT along with ( gaming " Xbox" ) 30% music .

Room Size is 11W X 18 Deep.

Anyone using either of these subs that can shed some light on their experiences & why they went with either of these ?

paradigm 2100 v2 is an excellent sub will fill your room with no problems,it ismuch tighter than the 2200 and gos almost just as deep,both built with the same amp.

 

[BassHead]

thanks Snarl for your input, I`m leaning towards the 2200 but wanted to hear what ppl thoughts are of the 2100`s HT experience & of the music with the 2200.
anyone else ?

Cheers

if you want to be knocked in the chest a little more than the walls rumbling get the 2100

 

[edwelly]

I owned a paradigm sub and demoed a 2200. they sounded great UNTIL I purchased a SVS PB10. NIGHT & DAY difference. The paradigm sub was fine with music and HT, it blended well. It made my Mon 7's sound like full range speakers. However, the PB10 hit me in the chest, it shook my house, I felt those robot things on Wars of the Worlds walk - never had that with my Paradigm sub. Again, if you want a nice sound, the Paradigm subs are that. If you want real bass, the kind that makes you think "holy schnikey" then look into the SVS line or the HSU. Good luck!

 

[BassHead]

Forum member Cygnus has the PW2100, give him a PM and see what he thinks.

As for 10inch cones being "faster"(which is known as transicient response) thats bull. Its all marketing voodoo. The 10inch cone might be a "tad" quicker, but it will have more THD in the low content due to its size disadvantage. The 12inch will sound less boomy because it will not have to work as hard to deliver low bass. THD is much easier to detect then Group Delay.

SheepStar

You are telling me that a 12" is less boomy than a 10",the 2200 is a little more boomy,The 2100 is tighter and both models are very clean with no distortion like many others,it killed me when other members said that a pb10 svs sub would be better than a 2100 v2,tested side by side theres no comparing,The 2100 has more tight bass and cleaner,svs is louder and more distorted,if you like distortion thats up to many who like it,But i look for.. and test clean low tight subs

 

[Sheep]

You are telling me that a 12" is less boomy than a 10",You smokin to much crack boy,the 2200 is a little more boomyThe 2100 is tighter and both models are very clean with no distortion like many others,it killed me when other members said that a pb10 svs sub would be better than a 2100 v2,tested side by side theres no comparing,The 2100 has more tight bass and cleaner,svs is loder and more distorted,if like distortion thats up to many who like it,But i look for and test clean low tight subs

You need a spell check.

I've done this before, time to do it again.

This is a Velodyne DD18:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=13377&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

This is a Veoldyne DD15:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=14733&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

Notice how the DD18 has lower distortion down low, while the DD15 is much higher. Its not from the Amp, or the servo, it's because of the larger driver.

Oh BTW, heres a PS-1000, not very clean sounding to me.
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=13931&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

SheepStar

 

[edwelly]

a pb10 svs sub would be better than a 2100 v2,tested side by side theres no comparing,The 2100 has more tight bass and cleaner,svs is loder and more distorted

nope, nada, no way - the Paradigm sub (PDR, RS & PW models) are not in the same league as SVS. Sorry but I have compared them and the SVS is a much better sub and a lot less than the PW line.

 

[BassHead]

I had the exact same problem, I had to choose between the PW-2100 and PW-2200, I went with the PW-2100 the following two reasons were what finally made my decision for me;

- 10" Woofer I felt would be a little faster for Music (60% Music/40% HT)
- The PW-2100 was about $200.00 Less

Was it the right decision ? I have no Idea, however I can say the PW-2100 Sounds awesome so I assume the PW-2200 would as well, If I had the money I'd probably have gotten the PW-2200 however I needed the Cash for a better AMP and Receiver so I cut costs with the PW-2100 and I purchased the Monitor 7's as rear surrounds, they were cheaper than a Pair of ADP-370's with Stands


My Set-up now is as follows:

2 x Paradigm Monitor 11's Mains
2 x Paradigm Monitor 7's Surrounds
1 x Paradigm CC-370 Center
1 x Paradigm PW-2100 Sub

For me I feel the trade off's were well worth it, one day I may even add a second PW-2100, that will more than make up for one PW-2200

Snarl have you tried any other subs that you liked that compare to the 2100?

 

[BassHead]

nope, nada, no way - the Paradigm sub (PDR, RS & PW models) are not in the same league as SVS. Sorry but I have compared them and the SVS is a much better sub and a lot less than the PW line.

I am glad you like the pb10 over the 2100,For what i use it for is a rear sub,I tried both of them in several locations and found the 2100 went a touch deeper and less distortion maybe it had to do with more power on the amp and better quality.

 

[Snarl]

Snarl have you tried any other subs that you liked that compare to the 2100?

I had a listen to an Axiom EP350 and for Years I had a Cerwin Vega LW-15, the Paradigm clearly beats the LW-15 by a long shot but not sure on the EP-350 as the listening enviroments were so different, I suspect they're pretty close so I'd say from what I've heard the Axiom compare nicely. Problem is there's so many options out there all you can do is visit some shops and give a listen. Paradigm is a reputable company with a quality product, are they the best ? I don't know, there are just too many variables.

Good Luck

 

[BassHead]

You need a spell check.

I've done this before, time to do it again.

This is a Velodyne DD18:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=13377&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

This is a Veoldyne DD15:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=14733&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

Notice how the DD18 has lower distortion down low, while the DD15 is much higher. Its not from the Amp, or the servo, it's because of the larger driver.

Oh BTW, heres a PS-1000, not very clean sounding to me.
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=13931&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

SheepStar

good thing i dont write chinese

 

[edwelly]

I read thru this thread a couple times and what I figured out is the I AM WRONG - I cannot say the Paradigm subs are not in the same league as a SVS or any other brand for that matter. It boils down to one thing - WHAT THE BUYER LIKES - nothing more. do I think the SVS sub is better than the Paradigm subs, yes but those are my ears. Maybe this buyer likes the Paradigm sub sound better - if so then no matter what I think, the buyer would feel like the Paradigm sub is in the better league.
My mom has an HSU STF-2 sub. GREAT sub, but I love my SVS so much more. It has the sound that I like. My mom likes her HSU better than my SVS.
In the end, all we really should focus more on the build quality and performance - sound is opinion based...

 

[brendy]

Both are excellent quality subs that perform very well and you won't go wrong with either one.Don't let mis-guided negative opinions deter you.The main difference is the PW 2200 will give some more low end extension and output.

 

[Sheep]

Both are excellent quality subs that perform very well and you won't go wrong with either one.Don't let mis-guided negative opinions deter you.The main difference is the PW 2200 will give some more low end extension and output.

With less THD.

SheepStar

 

[MACCA350]

Sheep wrote:

I've done this before, time to do it again.

This is a Velodyne DD18:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index....t=0&rid=0&SQ=0

This is a Veoldyne DD15:
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index....t=0&rid=0&SQ=0

Notice how the DD18 has lower distortion down low, while the DD15 is much higher. Its not from the Amp, or the servo, it's because of the larger driver.

Sorry Sheep, but these differences were explained in the Round 3 Tests and Conclusions page:

Velodyne DD-15
As a result of our measurements in rounds 1 & 2, some manufacturers have resorted to personal abuse. Others have taken it positively and used the information to improve their products. Velodyne is in the latter class. We were testing here a pre-release version 2.1 of the DD software. This includes some improvements which came out of the development of the SMS-1 and, as noted above, a response to some of our measurements here. Therefore, please do not compare these results to earlier tests of DD subs because, and this is the beauty of the DD series, the software is different, the results will be different. Bass extension is much improved now. Distortion is a little higher, but this is a pre-release version of the software and Velodyne have made some changes to the servo-control where the servo becomes saturated. This may explain the slight kinks in the 105 and 110dB sweeps. This may be improved further in future software versions before release.

cheers