Panasonic TX-P46ST30

[Zer0K3wL]

Anyone any experience with this tv ? Panasonic TX-P46ST30

I'm getting a full refund now looking to buy this tv primarly questions after having owned d6000 series from samsung

Is it full hd in 3D ?

Are pixels way to big in full hd at distance off 3 meters ?

i always watch full hd in 3D and 2D never noticed big pixels with my samsung 3D hdtv's in HD except my new samsung in 3D it had pixelation due halfed res in 3D

also are their anything bad about this tv i should known or positve ?

also in terms off powerfull speakers magnets or aura's from my speakers do they effect plasma ?

and what are the dis advantages off plasma compared to lcd or are they the same pretty much ?

i can get the 46 inch vision for 750E and 900E for 50 inch vision

 

[TLS Guy]

Anyone any experience with this tv ? Panasonic TX-P46ST30

I'm getting a full refund now looking to buy this tv primarly questions after having owned d6000 series from samsung

Is it full hd in 3D ?

Are pixels way to big in full hd at distance off 3 meters ?

i always watch full hd in 3D and 2D never noticed big pixels with my samsung 3D hdtv's in HD except my new samsung in 3D it had pixelation due halfed res in 3D

also are their anything bad about this tv i should known or positve ?

also in terms off powerfull speakers magnets or aura's from my speakers do they effect plasma ?

and what are the dis advantages off plasma compared to lcd or are they the same pretty much ?

i can get the 46 inch vision for 750E and 900E for 50 inch vision

I think plasma TVs are superior to LCDs.

Panasonic TVs on the whole are superior. The TV you selected is their entry level plasma, so it has some limitations. As far as I can tell it is full 3D. However picture quality in 2 and 3D is below more expensive Panasonic offerings.

Optimal size is determined by your viewing distance.

Plasma and LCD TVs are not affected by speaker magnets.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

I think plasma TVs are superior to LCDs.

Panasonic TVs on the whole are superior. The TV you selected is their entry level plasma, so it has some limitations. As far as I can tell it is full 3D. However picture quality in 2 and 3D is below more expensive Panasonic offerings.

Optimal size is determined by your viewing distance.

Plasma and LCD TVs are not affected by speaker magnets.

Is the quality superior to any samsung lcd ?
thats the only thing that really matters then.

my first tv was quite good color and 3D but was damaged and ccfl
the one that being returned was a led way to bright for my taste need to have sun shine inside to be able to see 3D good enough aka bright room only.

As getting my room verry dark its no problem i can get it as dark as night during the day when the sun shines inside a little.

Btw sorry for doubting you.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

well got 1-2 weeks to decide thinking off going for a led afterall the burn in problem kindy wories me.
and i like to watch lot anime so if i have burn in i will easy spot it.

the only problem being atm is if i can find a 46 inch 3D hdtv for 1000E or less with least 1 pair off glasses.

Not like i leave picture on when its not moving at all like desktop but it still wories me however having no cross talk in 3D at all and better color is defiantly + point for me to get a plasma.

 

[TLS Guy]

well got 1-2 weeks to decide thinking off going for a led afterall the burn in problem kindy wories me.
and i like to watch lot anime so if i have burn in i will easy spot it.

the only problem being atm is if i can find a 46 inch 3D hdtv for 1000E or less with least 1 pair off glasses.

Not like i leave picture on when its not moving at all like desktop but it still wories me however having no cross talk in 3D at all and better color is defiantly + point for me to get a plasma.

You seem to be very fussy about picture quality. I would go for a plasma in your situation and try and stretch to the step up from the Panasonic you referenced.

I have had a plasma TV in use for six years now, with no burn in issues at all.
I would not worry about that if you use just a modicom of common sense.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

You seem to be very fussy about picture quality. I would go for a plasma in your situation and try and stretch to the step up from the Panasonic you referenced.

I have had a plasma TV in use for six years now, with no burn in issues at all.
I would not worry about that if you use just a modicom of common sense.

Yeah well i am little woried because if i play games and it has a hud part thats on screen nearly always i be woried.

I'm especialy woried about the first 100 200 hours
anyway the advantages off plasma i really like.

So i am thinking about it to just go for a plasma if i do run into issues then i hope i wont run into permanent burn in issues least for 1 year long.

also woried because burn in is't always covered by warranty.
if had problems with warranty before dont want another nightmare ofc.

anyway i got a full refund the store aint replacing it so if got a free choice with what i go with or any store.
only problem being my tight 1000 euros budget ofc.

because if you consider my old tv getting same lcd with similar specs and full hd 3D is probably gonna cost me 1500E which i defiantly wont have for atleast 2 3 more month's so saving up aint really an option either.

budget and quality say's choose panasonic

common sense say's get a lcd / led

also temporary burn in kindy wories me.
but permanent burn in ofc wories me the most

anyway if i wont have to worry about permanent burn in aka i see sign off burn in potentialy reconise it even if not i just watch something else i be fine i guess

 

[Zer0K3wL]

i found a store that sells a Toshiba 46TL838 3D LED tv its advertised as full hd 3D and is active3D

I'm thinking off this tv as alternative for panasonic.

besides i dont think 3D off a toshiba can be bad their the first with a glassless 3D screen

also another plasma option bit more expansive.

Panasonic - NEO plasma TX-P46GT30 3D for 829E

and a Philips 46PFL5507H 3D LED tv 400hz 965E also 3D active and advertised as full hd 3D



Things to consider led 3D in bright room looks verry good posibly problematic in a verry dark room

the main reason to consider a led is just because i dont want to step into new nightmare been to unlucky this year.

i might just buy a led now and buy a plasma next year and have the led as reserve.

i also want something that last me least 2 years without any nightmares

the le46c750 did't have the best colors either but yellow was to yellow.

red and grey where quite good and black was just perfect.

i mainly watch lot anime and dream works real 3D blu ray's so i'm thinking that led might be better option for that reason asswell.

because burn in issues even if just temporary i would see screen burn in maybe just little and i got a good eye.

the philips one being 400 hz is tempting if full hd 3D that is.

i think the toshiba is best choice if going led

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I recently got 55ST30 and I love it. Never used or probably will never use 3D features, but PQ in 2D in amazing. It's essentially same tv as VT30/GT30 but without THX cert and advanced calibration settings.

New 2012 ST50 barely added anything new and the 2500FPS drive is pure marketing bs - it's same thing as old 600Mhz one with minor differences

I believe that all and any 3D glasses for TVs are limited to 14ft and forget about fluorescent lights

 

[Zer0K3wL]

Hmmmm me being so desperate i'm finding Toshiba 46TL838G for 624E
wonder whats difference compared to Toshiba 46TL838 think their both the same

i guess i found out why its so cheap because it has masive cross talk :|

maybe the other leds are asswell.

might be worth mentioning the philips is a IPS panel that i linked thats quite tempting especialy if 3D has minimal cross talk

my damaged tv which i liked a lot ignoring the fact that it was damaged was a pva panel about same color acuracy i think but verry high respons time.

found out especialy in holland specifications are being cheated full hd 3D with pasive glasses unless lg pasive 3D tv is better then a samsung d6000

 

[Zer0K3wL]

Anyone with any experience with the philips ?
because i really like the silver aluminium bezel on that one lol when i look for a tv i look at how it looks last and specifications first

 

[TLS Guy]

Anyone with any experience with the philips ?
because i really like the silver aluminium bezel on that one lol when i look for a tv i look at how it looks last and specifications first

Philips are a trash brand here, made by Funi. They just slap on the Philips logo and they are about the lowest of the low. In Europe, it is a totally different situation with Philips.

You can only get a European perspective on Philips.

Honestly I would go for a Panasonic plasma. They really are the best of the bunch now. These TVs are likely to give you the least hassle. However modern TVs are complex and they are all sold too cheaply by far. So anything you buy can potentially give you a problem. So your most important factor is your warranty service in Holland. What it is here means nothing.

Now make your decision. As I said before posting on an American site is limited in its usefulness to you. Due to broadcast standards, the European and American TVs, can and likely will have significant quality differences, and certainly different warranty service records.

Profit margins are the limit to quality. We have nothing of the quality of the Pioneer Kuro TVs now in this race to the bottom in screens.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

i do like to buy a plasma but if even the black bars have risk off burning in then i'm already to afraid to get a plasma.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

Just 1 last question how likely is it that i will see burn in effects in the first year off use ?

and what should i turn down the first 100 hours brightness contrast and to what setting

And can i set the screen such way that black bars are gone aka zoom in 3D while having the ps3 because my ps3 cant do that.

if i can just view 3D movies in full screen with touch on remote then their wont be a problem

watching tv i only do for 4 hours usualy at most sometimes 8

i'm considering to just set away a budget for new plasma every year incase i do get permanent burn in.

anyway i am guessing having the brightness not to high especialy at the start will prevent burn in especialy permanent burn in.

as it ages having that down will probably prevent it fully.

my main worry atm with led is that 3D depth and detail gonna be way worse then a samsung 3D considering the fact i'm gonna boycot samsung for life my only real alternative is panasonic or go pasive.

but unless pasive is least better quality 3D asswell and sharper image then the samsung d6000 series i'm not gonna go for pasive.


plasma pro's and cons

pro's good 3D
no cross talk
good color
not to bright
nice dark and rich colors.
fast motion
cheap

cons
burn in potentialy permanent
first 100 hours biggest risk off burn in

led

pro's

verry bright picture
oke color
no risk off burn in
potentialy gonna last 10 years altough in 2 years their might be glassless 3Dtv's

cons

potentialy bad 3D
cross talk
way to bright whites for my taste
potentialy 3D only viewable in a verry bright envoriment ofc while the sun is up this is no issue but when its down.

anyway as for plasma the first 100 hours gonna take real long asswell potentialy 3 month as how much i watch TV so it kindy wories me i'm thinking off watching a lot movies at begining to get past that.

the burn in i think im having to harsch idea's about it.

if i look on dutch site and search prhase burn in then i i see maybe 1 result about it per page so its probably not that common considering people on this forum mostly have common sense

also questions like build in TV screensaver questions pop up because if the tv has these features
and tools for plasma that are handy then choice gets way more easy'r

been searching on plasma burn in and if found some funny answers like if been getting burn in from watching to much teletext tough their from brands that discontineu'd plasma.

from panasonic plasma facebook

Panasonic VIERA TV The recent plasma's blue phosphor is stronger for fast decay so I do not think we need to put more attention onto first 100 hours, compared with old plasmas. To remove top/bottm bar just using ZOOM only, but just 2-3 hours in use will not effect for burn in. Do not show much loger time but just 2-3 hours in a time is okay. Spike Komatsu

I like the part where he's confident that first 100 hours dont really matter that much

i think i go plasma afterall

just want to known if i can use this full screen zoom function in 3D asswell because my samsung could't i need to buy new 3D blu ray player yet anyway but thats gonna be in the next 2 month's

 

[Zer0K3wL]

And what if i for example watch 3D movie with black bars just for 1 hour a day each time and only watch movies with black bars for 1 year long

aka turn tv on watch movie black bars 1 hour turn it off for a day then same next day

would i see burn in after a year or does turning it off let it cooldown and fade it ?

oke it cant be watched zoomed on panasonic probably not fullscreen either since its probably the same thing

is their a option that let black bars change color over time so it does't burn in ?

 

[Zer0K3wL]

their a strange blue aura on part off my old screen they already say'd they gonna pay me back and take tv back mailed them about it to.
but i am woried they refuse take it back or take it back and only give me 800E refund.

anyway my budget got quite bit bigger if now got 1200E altough the budget depends on if the TV has default 1 pair off glasses with them if they do have glasses with them then 1200E aint no issue.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

would be any decent 3D led i could get for excluding samsung 1200E ?
Because i believe panasonic has leds to but their pasive i think.

tbh i wish their was a 3D hdtv on market let that has both support for pasive and 3D active glasses altough probably sounds stupid.

anyway my new subwoofer arived it first detected it at 9 meters -6 dB then 0.30 -8 dB if set all speaker level's to 77 to 74 dB or so to keep realistic balance from listening position having the sub at 80 dB

sub cable was backwards lol i did't think such thing mattered i wonder if a default cable can have this issue to because i had 2 subs maybe 1 was out of phase.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

after insult from tlsguy through pm if decided to go led.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

after insult from tlsguy through pm if decided to go led.

I can't speak for one of our best experts 'round here (thou he does say truth as he sees it), but ->

I HATE PMs started from new members in continuation of conversation in thread. Use your common sense - PM stands for PRIVATE message.

If you have something a bit more specific to ask me - do it in the original thread so everyone could benefit from it and correct me if needed.

and yea - Philips brand TVs sold in US are trash - Philips/LG/Visio all share same base components and the do fail more often than others.

Nothing really wrong with going LCD, possibly one of best TVs outs there currently is Pioneer Elite, Which are actually made by Sharp. The do cost a lot.

However in your price point it's pretty much down to getting decent plasma or a crappy lcd tv

 

[afterlife2]

No TV is without fault. A couple years ago I talked to a TV station technician and he highly recommended Panasonic. I went with Vizio LCD because I was and am on a tight budget. I had to replace the board on it a couple months back for like 80$. I researched and I ordered the part via ebay and have had no issues, yet. Fingers crossed. I would just go to the stores and ask lots of questions and do extensive online research. That's what I did with the Vizio and I'm happy with it. The colors really surprised me and i'm still stunned by it. I have a friend who has Samsung TV and I feel they have the same picture quality. Research Research Research! Good luck mate.

 

[Zer0K3wL]

The only time i had real problem was my old tv when warranty was ****.
besides that once i had damaged faulty psu on screen which got replaced without hassle.

TV's should last least 2-3 years by my standards but this burn in or ghosting however people call it is a thing that might anoy me a little.

Its not like i trust panasonic its just never had plasma before else this choice be much easy'r

i also feel opinion from mostly guy's here will be plasma just because most off you probably have room dedicated for home cinema wish i had room for that my other room is way to small